You are drifting, Andreas. Think "Dominant." I used that word. I said that if you have a DOMINANT dog you must show it that you are the boss, or else he, being DOMINANT, will take over. I never said that all dogs need this sort of treatment. None of the last four dogs I've had have needed that sort of treatment. None of them challenged either of us. In fact a German Shorthaired Pointer, Heidi, was overly timid and needed a lot of reassurance and reinforcement. My 3-year old Ginger was similar to Heidi. Heidi ended up about 60 pounds whereas Ginger (a Rhodesian Ridgeback) is 80 pounds, but as a puppy she was always groveling before other dogs she wanted to play with her. She has never barked at the front door nor shown the slightest inclination to be either a watch or a guard dog. Heidi would bark when someone came to the front door, but not Ginger. I've used similar reinforcing techniques with Ginger. She doesn't need to be dominated. She needs to be reassured and supported. My youngest is a 1-year-old Rhodesian Ridgeback named Sage. She is different from Ginger in that she doesn't grovel before other dogs and she will bark when she hears a strange sound, but she didn't need to be dominated either. How do I know? When I come over to give her attention she rolls over on her back; so I rub her belly. She has no intention of challenging me. When we are out on the river and she hears or smells something challenging; she runs over and gets behind me. Ginger seems a little more confident nowadays. I suspect that Sage will become more confident as time goes on, but the three of us function as a team down at the river - more or less. They are off leash and free to chase rabbits, but it is there responsibility to catch up with me. I carry the water and occasionally call a halt so we can all drink. I also decide when it is time to go back to the Jeep. Everything works very well. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:39 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas]Indian dogs > A FAQ from the Stray Dog Welfare Society: > http://www.wsdindia.org/FAQs/faqs.htm Of all the links, this one matches what I saw. Before I went to India, I got vaccinations for a number of things. The doctor, who is a professor at Stanford and a world expert on tropical medicine, told me about rabies. I told him that I was going camping in India (a group of us spent three days in a national park) and he said that rabies was widespread, so avoid contact with animals, incl. dogs. Thus when I arrived, I noticed all of the dogs (how can you miss them?) but I stayed away from them for several days. But eventually, I noticed the dogs simply minded their own business. I asked friends about the dogs, and they just shrugged their shoulders. Nobody bothered the dogs and the dogs bothered nobody. One night, I was walking back to the hotel. Crossing the hotel's park, I saw a dog curled up asleep in the middle of the tennis court. I walked over to the dog. He looked up. I held out my hand to let him sniff it. He did, and then licked my hand once. Then he sat down again. He didn't particularly care one way or the other that I was there. I walked off. He didn't follow me. Just went back to sleep on the tennis court. I couldn't imagine a dog in the USA would act this way. It'd run, it would approach, it would bark or growl, it would follow... but it wouldn't act like the dogs in India. Certainly there are some people who demand the removal of dogs. And there are some people who demand the removal of all sorts of things. But the fact remains that there are tens of thousands of street dogs in India, and they don't behave at all like Lawrence and others think dogs should behave. Thus I can grant Lawrence his argument and postulate that every single US dog expert agrees that dogs must be mastered. But the simple fact of the sleeping dogs in India proves them wrong. yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html