[lit-ideas] Re: World order??
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:29:02 +0100
1) My reply was not as categorical as yours suggests
2) >Of course, many earth shattering
>political/religious movements started small
Of course. You are correct. I'd noticed. The Nazis "started small".
But (another fact) this is not "the start" of such a movement in Britain and
elsewhere: the UK Muslim organization that seeks a UK ruled by Shariah law
is far from new.
Judy Evans
jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron
Sent: 26 April 2004 23:12
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: World order??
**One hopes you're correct. Of course, many earth shattering
political/religious movements started small -- world miscalculating them
as minor annoyances.
TC,
Judith Evans wrote:
> I don't know, Steve. It sounds exaggerated to me (re the UK) and ignores,
> e.g., the Muslims who marched for peace (i.e. against violence) *in
> Luton* -- where the piece was filed -- yesterday (they were not all
> "old/er"). I accept that that's a counter-acting factor, as is the amount
> of information our police get from the Muslim community (enabling them
> easily to locate and arrest various terrorist suspects without any kind of
> shoot-out or even force). I also know that there is disaffection among
> Muslim youth here.
>
>
>>Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law,
>
>
> as the piece says, it is a small group; and the "official" national Muslim
> group that believes this is also small. What I can't tell is how
> exaggerated the NYT piece is.
>
> I wouldn't say it's fantasy.
>
> FYI
>
>
> On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before
he
> tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his
> shoe, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to
> embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom."
>
>
> that was the mosque the police raided (sent in helicopters, battered down
> the doors): the main Muslim organizations here announced that this was not
> desecration as it was not aimed at the mosque's religious activities.
(Arms
> were found there, and terrorist suspects -- not British.) The Govt is
trying
> to kick Hamza out, but there's a problem: he's a UK citizen. We are
kicking
> out -- back to you -- a US imam alleged to have taught Richard Reid, but
> that was easy, his application for asylum was turned down. I believe
though
> the Govt has hopes of getting him.
>
>
>
> Judy Evans
> jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron
> Sent: 26 April 2004 14:47
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] World order??
>
>
>
> Fantasy??
>
> TC,
>
> /Steve Cameron, NJ
>
> -----
>
> From today’s New York Times, front page:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html
>
>
> MILITANTS IN EUROPE OPENLY CALL FOR JIHAD AND THE RULE OF ISLAM
>
> By Patrick E. Tayer and Don van Natta Jr.
>
>
>
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