[lit-ideas] Unto Others

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  • Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 10:08:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 5/28/2014 9:08:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes in "Re: My Friends the Baboons": "My posts  
tried to 
explain why [the baboon case] is not an example of "group  selection" but 
must be, in Darwinian terms, an example of "kin selection". As  such it is 
not a counter-example to the view that "nothing is 'selected for' via  its 
removal from the gene-pool": on the contrary, it must be an example of  
something 'selected for' because - and only because - of how it protects the  
same 
"genes" from removal from the gene-pool. Anyone who disputes this is  
disputing that an orthodox Darwinian explanation applies or is showing that 
they  
do not really understand the character of Darwinian explanation. It would, I 
 suggest, take much more than a single uncorroborated story of the baboon 
type to  challenge "the orthodox Darwinian view": just as we would not 
replace that  Darwinian view because a Walt Disney nature documentary told us 
that 
bees sting  to protect the hive because they are selfless like human 
soldiers sacrificing  their lives for the greater good of the group.

For the record, below, the references to the Wikipedia's entry on group  
selection -- since perhaps we should distinguish:
 
-- the concept itself.
-- an analysis of the concept itself.
-- the use of the concept alla Darwin.
-- the use of the concept elsewhere
-- other.
 
It seems such a philosophical analysis is attempted in the "Unto others"  
book referred to below. 
 
Cheers,
 
Speranza
 
Bergstrom, T.C. 
"Evolution of Social Behavior: Individual and Group Selection" Journal of  
Economic Perspectives 16 

Bijma, P.; Muir, W.M.; Van Arendonk, J.A.M. 
 "Multilevel Selection 1: Quantitative Genetics of Inheritance and  
Response to Selection". Genetics 175 

Bijma, P.; Muir, W.M.; Ellen, E. D.; Wolf, Jason B.; Van Arendonk,  J.A.M. 
"Multilevel Selection 2: Estimating the Genetic Parameters Determining  
Inheritance and Response to Selection". Genetics 175 
 
Boyd, R.; Richerson, P.J.  "Group Beneficial Norms Spread Rapidly in a  
Structured Population" (PDF). Journal of Theoretical Biology 215 

West, S.A.; Griffin, A.S.; Gardner, A.  "Social semantics: how  useful has 
group selection been?". Journal of Evolutionary Biology 21

Sober, Elliott and Wilson, David Sloan. Unto Others: The Evolution and  
Psychology of Unselfish Behavior. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

Soltis, J.; Boyd, R.; Richerson, P.J. "Can Group-functional Behaviors  
Evolve by Cultural Group Selection? An Empirical Test" (PDF). Current  
Anthropology 63
 
Wilson, D. S. (1987). "Altruism in Mendelian populations derived from  
sibling groups: The haystack model revisited". Evolution 41 
.
Wilson, D.S.  Human groups as adaptive units: toward a permanent  
consensus. In P. Carruthers, S. Laurence & S. Stich (Eds.), The Innate Mind:  
Culture 
and Cognition. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 


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