[lit-ideas] Transcendental or what's in a name?

  • From: Eric Dean <ecdean99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:06:31 +0000



A few days ago,



























Phil Enns wrote:

"In some cases, there will be no clear answer [about whether it's a case of 
stealing or not] and so the case lies in a grey area.  What I don't see is how 
having some cases ending up in this grey area changes the universal moral force 
of the prohibition against stealing in those cases that are clear."

Perhaps I'm just dense, but there seems to me to be something that needs 
explaining about the relationship between a term or proposition or maxim or 
whatever which is supposed to be "universal" and something which is supposed to 
be a "grey area" to which said universal term, proposition or maxim refers or 
applies.  That's not an oblique way of saying it can't be explained, just a 
request for explanation.

I can imagine explaining that relationship by saying that the term, 
proposition, etc. is universal in all those cases to which it unambiguously 
refers or applies, but that there can often be a question as to whether or not 
it refers to a particular situation and there can be situations in which there 
is real, legitimate conflict over its applicability.

The point I was making that started this extended discussion, for my part 
anyway, was about needing to understand exactly how the terms used in moral 
judgments refer to (potentially) real human interactions.  All I meant to be 
saying was that if one took the term, proposition, etc., as 'universal', one 
then had to make room for such subtleties of applying that universal term, etc. 
to real situations as could allow for the sorts of grey areas Phil acknolwedges 
can exist.

I can also imagine explaining the relationship between a "universal" and the 
"grey area" to which it applies by saying that "universal" is just shorthand 
for "general guideline" or "frequently appropriate guideline" or what have you, 
i.e. some sort of pragmatically qualified universality.  In my mind, that comes 
to the same thing as saying that it's unqualifiedly universal but the range of 
cases to which it applies may have some grey area in them.

I may be butchering some technical terminology, and running roughshod over 
important distinctions, but I remain sincerely puzzled about why these are 
problematic ways of resolving the question about the relationship between the 
universal terms of a moral judgment and the grey area of its applicability.

Phil said, in response to my question about what might be lost if we (by which 
I meant humanity at large) did not accept that there must be some 
transcendental, universal, common meaning of moral terms,:

"...First, in the area of human rights, reference to a transcendental...meaning 
of moral terms provides a much more robust account of what is due to every 
human being.  If everything is only historical, ethnically contextual, then 
documents like the UDHR are far less likely to be as effective as they could 
be."

A couple observations here.  First, I think Phil offers a false dichotomy -- 
either there are transcendental meanings of moral terms or everything is "only 
historical, ethnically contextual."  That dichotomy only makes sense if one 
thinks one can speak from a vantage point -- which itself would be 
transcendental if it existed, at least as I see things -- from which the 
alternatives transcendental or contingent can be seen to be the only 
alternatives.

Instead, I would suggest that the meaning of "not transcendental" should be 
"perhaps not applicable" or "possibly negotiatiable, at least to some extent".

Second, while I agree with what I take to be Phil's preference that the UDHR be 
as effective as possible, I disagree that, as a practical matter, its 
effectiveness is dependent upon its principles being universal.  I think its 
effectiveness is dependent upon its acceptance both as a set of precepts by 
which all national governments operate and as occupying a sort of public 
relations high ground from which foot-dragging countries can be cajoled into 
cooperating with other countries to intervene where the UDHR's principles are 
being violated.

Neither of those is dependent upon the UDHR in fact embodying transcendental 
principles.  Nor, in my opinion, would the UDHR be strengthened one jot by in 
fact embodying such principles, if they existed, unless it were easy to 
demonstrate publicly to all that they were in fact transcendental principles 
that did, as such, apply to everyone everywhere and all the time.

Phil continues, 

"Second, in the area of democracy, where reference to a transcendental, 
universal, common meaning of moral terms fixes the equality of all citizens.  
In a liberal democracy, the equlity of all citizens depends on the ability to 
universalize moral terms so that any citizen, regardless of their historically 
contingent identity, is to be treated as politically equal and equal before the 
law.  If moral judgments are only historically and ethnically contingent, then 
it is much harder to explain why all citizens should be treated equally by the 
state."

Again, I think the dichotomy between 'transcendental' and 'historically and 
ethnically contingent' is a false one. 

I certainly understand the practical, even rhetorical value of the claim to 
have transcendental moral truths, and to have embodied them in the state's 
political processes and laws.  To make that claim is to call all disputants to 
attend to the greater good in resolving their disputes, thereby helping ensure 
that factional disagreement does not degenerate into civil war.

But that is a piece of pragmatic real-politik, not a demonstration of 
transcendental truth.  I don't think Phil's point is that transcendental truths 
are such because they happen to work effectively in liberal democratic 
politics.  At least I hope that's not his point, both because it seems contrary 
to the spirit of arguing for the intellectual merits of transcendental truth 
and because here too I think it is a more treacherous public political position 
than may appear at first blush.

It is politically treacherous -- by which I mean not necessarily conducive to 
the long-term health of the liberal democratic processes I take Phil to have 
been endorsing -- because in those cases where a group feels marginalized, 
disenfranchised, or otherwise cut out of the benefits of the liberal democratic 
process, to tell them they should simply accept what they see as the wrong done 
them for "the greater good of the transcendental values our system represents" 
is, as a practical matter, precisely to push them towards, not away from, the 
violent remedies to their grievances the avoidance of which is one of the great 
benefits of the liberal democratic system in the first place.  

The more prudent position, imho, is to treat their grievance as potentially 
calling for reconsideration of the very otherwise transcendentally-justified 
rules the democracy had enacted.  The problem is, of course, that the more one 
has heralded one's system as embodying a transcendental notion of justice, the 
more *any* adjustment to its operations opens the door to question all of the 
other aspects of its operations, which is to say it opens the door to 
questioning it tout court.

The way to avoid that is to exercise a judicious restraint in characterizing 
the universal applicability of one's rules.  The sincere and accurate assertion 
that one is trying to do a good job but one really does recognize one is 
inevitably failing to do so allows for a challenge to authority without that 
challenge being a challenge to all authority at once.

Anyway, I appreciate the opportunity for continued thorough and patient 
consideration of the various facets of this collection of questions.

Best regards to all,
Eric Dean
Washington DC

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