In a message dated 11/16/2004 10:21:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: According to my references, the ancient name for Hungerford was Ingleford, "Ford of the Angles." "A centre for the breeding and stabling of racehorses...offers angling on the River Kennet." David Ritchie, aware that not every berk is in Berkshire ---- Figuratively, no. But literally, yes, because that's where the world-famous fox-chases are practiced. Oddly, D. Crystal, trying to explain the origin of 'berk' traces wrongly to "Berkeley" -- in Gloucestershire -- rather than the County on the Thames. If Ritchie is right, and Hungerford derives from "Angle-ford", we would have a case of hypercorrection. As when a Cockney says, "hanyways". Note that "Angle" is a homonym, too. It can mean the fishing instrument, or it can mean the fishing people (The Angles). It's amazing how place-names ending in 'ford' translated to U.S.A. which are not actually _fords_ at all. There are a few along the Connecticut shoreline: Stamford, Milford, Branford, Guilford, ... -- Only in Guilford the reference can be made to the West River that creates a sort of ford where the sun shines through in a manner that resembles gold -- hence 'gyld'. Oddly, "Stanford" in California and "Stamford" in Connecticut are cognate. Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html