In a message dated 5/9/2009 2:01:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dolphinw@xxxxxxxxxx writes: -Wm. Dolphin who has never considered himself a grammar maven --- I too, like R. Paul, was impressed by Mr. Dolphin's explanation, never mind if I followed it. I am with Judy that commas are on the whole _otiose_. But anyway, checked with the OED to find 'maven' is "notably Americanism" Yddish. Yiddish meyvn (plural mevinim) expert, connoisseur < Hebrew mebin person with understanding, teacher, participle of hebin understand, attend to, teach. Nice to learn. Reminds me of 'moxie', which I've learned via D. Potter's _Pennies from Heaven_. The brits say, 'cheek'. Indeed, one OED quotes uses it in Ursula's similar context: 1991 Eng. Today Oct. 57/2, I have in mind such English language mavens as William Safire and Robert MacNeil. Cheers, J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html