"Andy Amago" writes: : ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 : Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII : : The problem I have with this is that if something is determined, if everythin : g is factored in at the beginning of time, then it's determined by something : or someone. That *has* to be God. Or time has to lack a beginning. -- Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH EMAIL: junger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx URL: http://samsara.law.cwru.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html