In a message dated 6/6/2012 3:15:41 P.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Crowbarring in the obligatory Popper reference: P somewhere suggested we would be better off with a political culture where a politician would gain support, Crowbarring in the obligatory Grice reference: Grice said that most nations _need_ a civil war. Witness the Civil War in Roman Times (the Roman Empire). "No nation is a nation without a civil war". In my "Civil War alla Grice" I focus on the disimplicature, as I there call it, of 'civil'. Geary similarly calls 'civil' as in 'civi' war a misnomer ("While Rome _was_ a city, and thus 'civil' war applies literally, the Roundheads and the Cavaliers fought in _various_ cities" (*)). (*) cfr. Latin Dictionary, Short/Lewis, civilis: "as becomes a citizen, courteously, kindly": Ov. M. 12, 583; id. Tr. 3, 8, 41; Tac. A. 3, 76; 4, 21; id. H. 2, 91.—. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html