In a message dated 11/24/2011 1:21:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx writes: And a very merry giving of thanks to JL ... Thankful Mike ----- You're welcome. Incidentally, it is all religious. Of course, the object of 'thee' in "I thank thee", in the case of Thanksgiving, is God. Now, in terms of illocutionary logic, thanking _God_ is quite an issue. Also the communality ("We thank thee", rather than mono-utterer, "I" thank _thee_) requires some specific logic about joint intentions. What Searle calls 'felicity' conditions for 'happy' thanksgiving should apply here. The Pilgrims were possibly thanksgiving before they arrived to Plymouth, MA. Yet, thanksgiving as such was only much later celebrated in England, and only due to the American influence. And so on. I read from "Foundations of illocutionary logic" - John R. Searle, Daniel Vanderveken - 1985 - Language Arts & Disciplines, p. 212: "thank." "The point of thanking is to express gratitude. The preparatory conditions are that the thing in question benefits or is good for the [utterer] and that the [addressee] is responsible for it." "As with apologies, one normally thanks for actions, but the propositional content need not necessarily represent an action provided that the [addressee] IS responsible." "Thus //thank// is an expressive illocutionary force of the form..." "Psi Sigma -/, where Psi (i, p) = {gratitude, p} and Sigma (i, p) = P, the proposition that [addresee] is responsible for the state of affairs that p at time t, that state of affairs is good for the [utterer]." "It is important to note that one thanks the addressee for something about him and his relation to the state of affairs specified by the propositional content." In the case of some illocutionary acts (e.g. "I bet you five dollars that..."), Austin notes that uptake is essential ("Unless the addressee supplies the "Bet taken", one can hardly be said to have _bet_"). In the case of 'thanksgiving', a weak point may be made to the effect that some 'you're welcome' is due to take the 'thanksgiving' as having been successfully performed, performatively speaking. And so on. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html