McCreery is looking for foundational myths based on the power of the Word. I mentioned Gk. 'mythos' and 'logos' as worth researching, and threw Latin 'verbum' for good measure. Now I add Gk. "epos" which originally meant 'word' too. What can prove more the power of 'epos' than to have, today, the very _words_ that Peleus, Achilles's father, said to Achilles before Achilles's coming of age. "Try always to be the best" This ideal of 'arete', could ONLY have been transmitted through 'epos' (Homer's word in this case). I cannot find the exact quote by Peleus -- in Greek -- but surely all Western civilisation is based on that precept -- however demanding someone or other may find it today (I for one agree with Bowra that it would have made of Achilles one of the most pretentious men on earth). I recently acquired a rather expensive book by G. Dawson, called "Soldier Heroes", about adventure, empire and masculinity. It basically concentrates on the deeds of the 60-year old officer sung hero of the Indian Mutiny. Dawson's point is that through myths and epos like that a hero is created by being sung. Only with the Great World, he claims, this trend was found obsolete, when the intelligentsia started to 'sing' of the 'unsung heros'. But cfr. a Rupert Brooke (sung hero) with a less sung hero like Wilfred Owen who basically had to sing himself his own deeds. In these 'epos', it's the content -- the moral code of the warrior -- that gets transmitted. It would ONLY be through an illiterate medium -- deeds being sung around the camp fire. It was only later the MONKS, who had nothing better to do, who transcribed those sung heroes and their epos onto old parchments. Cheers, JL ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com