[lit-ideas] Re: Sayable simples
- From: Henninge@xxxxxxxxxxx (Richard Henninge)
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- Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 01:49:55 +0200
"Beiläufig spricht man nicht!": A Review of the Mutton Wittgenstein on the
Example of Its Translation of _Tractatus_ 2.0232
(from The Picture ["Get The Picture?"], Europe's Largest Daily Newspaper,
Saturday, May 22, 2004)
As recorded in Habakkuk 2:2, "And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the
vision, and make it plain upon tables, THAT HE MAY RUN THAT READETH IT."
Tractatus 2.0232:
Beiläufig gesprochen: Die Gegenstände sind farblos. (Wittgenstein, original)
Roughly speaking: objects are colourless. (Ogden, trans. [1922])
There is a sense in which objects are colorless. (Nichols & May,
trans.[1961])
One might say that obects are colorless. (Mutton editions, trans. [2004])
In a manner of speaking, objects are colourless. (McGuinness & Pears,
trans.[1961])
Dicho sea incidentalmente, los objetos son incoloros. (Munoz & Reguera,
trans. [1973])
Soit dit en passant: les objets sont incolores. (Pierre Klossowski, trans.
[1961])
Detto approssimativamente: Gli oggetti sono incolori. (Amadea G. Conte,
trans. [1964])
More of this may follow.
Richard Henninge
University of Mainz
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From: "Robert Paul" <Robert.Paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:15 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Sayable simples
> >I read elsewhere that what P&M translate as "Roughly speaking: objects
are
> colourless" [which might suggest there is a contrasting sense in which
they
> have colour] is more properly translated as 'As an aside/By the
> by/Incidentally: objects are colorless".<
>
> The passage referred to is 2.0232:
>
> Beilaufig gesprochen: Die Gegenstande sind farblos.
>
> McGuinness and Pears translate 'Beilaufig gesprochen' not as 'Roughly
speaking,'
> but as 'In a manner of speaking.'
>
> 'Roughly speaking: objects are colourless,' is the Ogden translation.
>
> As an adjective, 'beilaufig' could mean 'parenthetical' (a parenthetical
remark)
> but as an adverb (which it is here) it would seem to mean 'casually,' or
> 'informally.' In the new Mutton translation (see the forthcoming review by
R.
> Henninge, in das Bild) this passage reads: 'One might say that obects are
> colorless.' Nichols and May (1961) translate 2.0232 as 'There is a sense
in
> which objects are colorless.'
>
> Robert Paul
> Reed College
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