I found a reference to Figulus in this rather BORING book on "Roman literature". Apparently, he was a Pythagorean philosopher. It was then that I thought I had seen this book by Williams quoted somewhere -- in relation to Martial -- and thought of sharing the thoughts with the list. Philosophers -- or worse, 'historians of philosophy', because if they notice in you the minimal interest in what Grice called the longitudinal unity of philosophy -- they try to minimize your interest by saying, "So it's _history of philosophy_ which is your field!" -- tend to be boringly systematic. When it comes to 'ancient' philosophy (Graeco-Roman) it was usually divided into: physica psychologia rationalis ethica but when you come to think of an issue as "eros" -- I notice LOTS of philosophers wrote about it, including Aristotle, "Peri erotos", etc. -- And it's not easy how it would fit in the paradigm. It would be part of 'psychologia' but not necessarily 'rational'. Presently, I think Loeb has done a good job, even when expurgating texts -- but it should not always be our Bible -- Why has the Loeb never published Marianus Cappella, for example? But when one reads from C. Williams's book -- and I haven't got it -- the list of technicism (as it were) for 'erotic' relationships, one finds that the topic becomes complicated enough to be called 'philosophia'. You may say that 'literature of love' (erotic literature) is just as important. But I would distinguish between the fictional, the poetical, and the philosophical -- and the Gearyan (Mineppean satyre?) Cheers, JL ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com