In a message dated 4/18/2004 10:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > The fact that Mike Geary can make light of Donal's thinking here by > comparing it to Clinton's "It depends on what you mean by 'is'" is evidence > enough that one has left EP-land Yeah, -- and goes to unclog a sink. Anyway, 'yeah' 'yeah' 'no' 'no' 'no be so sure'. The copula was, is, and will always be important. Consider "the cat is on the mat" -- As I noted in my previous post, 'the cat' is possibly too complex to be elementary. I proposed, "Felix is on the mat" without realising that there's still a 'the' left in 'the mat', which would be solved by _nominating_ the mat: "Felix is on Charles" Ditto for "Andreas's dot is blue" -- where 'the dot' is complex, suggesting a more elementary version would be: "Andreas's Jim is blue" --- but replacing descriptions by names is not the end of the complexity. We still have the copula. The scholastics formalised everything as "The S is P" -- or more simply, "S is P" -- "Socrates is pentagonal." In _modern_ logic, 'is' -- the particle Clinton thought 'polysemous' -- doesn't even get a representation in _logical form_. 'Socrates is pentagonal' becoming, PENTAGONAL(Socrates) Clinton was surely right that _in English_, it all _depends on_ the meaning of 'is', but I submit, not in the logical atomism that Russell and Wittgenstein were interested in? (Geary may say that giving 'is' a _zero_ meaning is _still_ giving it a _meaning_). Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html