R. Paul: Horses run swiftly. So, horses run. Looks like a straightforward argument. --- good you mention them. My current idiom is forthwrong -- as per the non-Delaware "forthright negotiator" principle. One of the oddest I've ever heard of. ---- You mean a 'correct' argument? A 'valid' one? Try putting it into symbolic form. --- and fail, but hope against hope, hope springs eternal --- There. I tried. Or you meant, "try to put it in symbolic form and actually do it". Or just try? If so, why the brevity? As Descartes said, 'Cookie dough argued some.' ----- Or as Geary prefers, quoting JLS: "I sh*t, therefore I smell" ---- I missed to comment on this. ---