In a message dated 5/18/2010 7:33:36 A.M., donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: "At a LSE Popper lecture evening (some years ago), Prof.O'Hear criticised P for his lack of understanding of the need for society to limit its "honesty" [O'Hear was taking the ruthless search for truth by critical discussion, that underpins P's epistemology, to imply ruthless honesty in all situations - a crass implication that is not drawn in Popper's own work afaik]. O'Hear's remarks smacked of the kind of Wittgensteinian critique of P's advocacy of (unfortunately termed) "social engineering" that was put forward by Peter Winch, and was similarly misguided and fatuous." ---- Oddly, I love Peter Winch. This is not strange. I have a systematic tendency to admire all philosophers that McEvoy despises. In any case, my love for Winch is not long-dated. I used, as McEvoy, to 'disregard' him, till one day I was browsing "Understanding" -- a volume in the best society for philosophy that England ever gave, "The Royal Institute of Philosophy", -- those handy paperback volumes edited by Macmillan -- and caught Winch quoting Grice: "Grice is a genius. This is all about the "point" of what we say, not about its truth!". Loved the man for that! J. L. Speranza --- for the Grice Club, ----- Bordighera ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html