Yes, we could pursue Ayer on Wittgenstein, Robert Paul's view that we should disregard Wittgenstein's Preface to PI insofar as it links Investigations to the Tractatus (and presumably disregard the references to the Tractatus in the text to boot), and Popper on the Wittgensteinian thesis that the deep is the unsayable (which unites, P suggests, W the mystic and W the positivist), but Euros 2012 begin tomorrow (Ireland, as Europeans know, being among the favourites, especially as their group has Italy and Spain) and as an appetizer perhaps the greatest World Cup Final of them all is on youtube and in a language fit for Palma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORhfb_EOw0&feature=fvwrel D Hoping they don't spit - remembering they're guests in our livingroom Plymouth