[lit-ideas] Re: Norwegian Islamist Learns from Cartoon Incident
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
Actually MEMRI only gives excerpts from the interview,
which I reproduce below. I haven't found here the
statements; "No Peace Between West & Islam Until
Islamic Caliphate is Re-established; Bin Laden &
Al-Zawahiri are Good People." Guess we'll have to take
MEMRI's word of it.
"The Western Way of Thinking has Taken its
Materialism, Egoism, and Savagery From the Ancient
Greeks and Romans"
Krekar: "On one side stands the Western way of
thinking. This is a way of thinking that has taken its
materialism, egoism and savagery from the ancient
Greeks and Romans. This is a way of thinking that has
altered true Christianity. An example of this is that
Western Christianity [today] accepts men having sex
with men. That was never accepted by Jesus. On the
other side stands Islam, and now the West is trying to
take over and change Islam in the same way that
Christianity was debased."
Interviewer: "Do you mean that this is a war between
civilizations?"
Krekar: "No. There is only one civilization. But there
are different ways of thinking about it, and our way
of thinking in Islam stands in opposition to the
Western way of thinking. Today it is our way of
thinking that comes in and shows itself stronger than
theirs. Islam has a stable foundation: one God, one
Prophet, one Koran, and one tradition. This generates
hatred among [those with a] Western way of thinking,
and leads the losing party to use violence. And that
is the violence and war against Islam."
Democracy is Just an Excuse - It's Islam the West
Can't Stand
Interviewer: "What grounds do you have for saying that
there is a war against Islam?"
Krekar: "The spread of democracy is just an excuse.
The same with the hunt for Osama bin Laden - it's just
an excuse. It is Islam that the West can't stand...
The attack on Islam is like a hand. One finger is the
war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Another finger is the
imprisonment of Muslims at Guantanamo Bay. The third
finger is the publishing of the pictures of the
Prophet Muhammad. We must see things as they are, and
those pictures [of Muhammad] are one part of the
military fight that the West is conducting against
Islam..."
"By 2050, 30% of the European Population Will Be
Muslim"
Interviewer: "What do you mean when you say that the
Islamic way of thinking is stronger than the Western
way of thinking?"
Krekar: "We have no fear of the Western way of
thinking. It can never win. In Iraq the two sides
stand one against the other. On the side of Islam
stand men who love death and who are willing to become
martyrs for what they believe in. On the other side
stand soldiers who fight for $1000 a day. The number
of dead American soldiers is proof of failure. The
same is true in Afghanistan. From 2001 to 2004, there
were five suicide attacks. In 2005 there were 17.
"While the front of the U.S. and its allies is
becoming smaller, Islam is widening its front. The
reports from Guantanamo show the same. They are trying
to rip belief from the hearts of the Muslims. It
doesn't work. In Denmark they published cartoons, but
the result was only to encourage people to rally
behind Islam. I and all Muslims are proof [of this].
They have not managed to change us. It is we who will
change them."
Interviewer: "How?"
Krekar: "Look at the development of the population in
Europe, where the number of Muslims increases like
mosquitoes. Each Western woman in the E.U. produces,
on average, 1.4 children. Each Muslim woman in these
same countries produces 3.5 children. By 2050, 30% of
the European population will be Muslim..."
We are Fighting for the Same Goal as bin Laden - Just
Under Different Circumstances
Interviewer: "Is it right to import the military part
of the war that is underway into Europe?"
Krekar: "No. This I cannot support. But Muslims who go
to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight, that is an honor. It
is an honor in itself if it violates the laws here in
Europe."
Interviewer: "'In itself,' meaning [that European law
is violated by] fighting together with Osama bin
Laden, Al-Qaeda, and other groups that use terror?"
Krekar: "Those who say that Osama bin Laden is a
terrorist are themselves killing our women, children,
and civilians. This is what we see and know. We are
not influenced by the U.S.'s words against bin Laden,
since they are talking about someone we know. We are
fighting for the same goal, just under different
circumstances.
"The goal is Islamic rule in an Islamic state. Shi'ite
Muslims have achieved this goal in Iran, and they are
so strong that the West doesn't dare attack. This is
the only way we can maintain a balance [of power] and
achieve a lasting peace."
Interviewer: "Is the goal to re-establish the
Caliphate - the Islamic rule that was established by
the Prophet?"
Krekar: "Yes. Our Caliph is dead and we are orphans.
Therefore we are fighting, like the Jews fought under
David Ben-Gurion, for our own state, a state ruled by
a true Islamic ruler."
Bin Laden is a Good Person to Rule the Caliphate
Interviewer: "What borders should the Caliphate have?"
Krekar: "It doesn't matter. Things are born, and then
they grow bigger. The essential thing is Islamic rule.
That was why the West destroyed the Taliban's rule in
Afghanistan. They feared the Islamic state."
Interviewer: "Who should rule the new Caliphate?"
Krekar: "It doesn't have to be a cleric. A good human
being is enough."
Interviewer: "Is bin Laden such a person?"
Krekar: "Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahiri are
among several good people. Weren't Jewish leaders also
terrorists before they had their own state?..."
Life in Europe has No Value for Muslims
Interviewer: "Most of the Muslims in the Western world
have made these countries their home. What is your
message to them?"
Krekar: "Muslims in the West and in Norway don't want
to understand that this is not their country. The
Muslim state will be their home, no matter where it is
located. Muslims in the West are like the Jews were.
We are homeless and weak, and will remain so until we
create our own country. Life here has no value for
Muslims."
Interviewer: "What do you say to Muslims in the West
who fully participate in both society and political
life?"
Krekar: "They can participate in elections and elect
Carl I. Hagen or Kristin Halvorsen, but in itself they
have no value for society. When we get our own
country, like the Shi'ites created in Iran, then
Muslims will have full political and economic
control."
Interviewer: "What role do you see Muslims in Europe
playing?"
Krekar: "We have no role to play at this point. Our
position is to maintain our numerical strength. But
now you are putting us in the role of the accused. It
is you and the West who should be telling us what [the
West] can do for us. The West should protect Islam,
and not the other way around."
Interviewer: "Isn't it that same freedom of expression
and freedom of religion that allowed the publishing of
the Muhammad cartoons also your best protection for
expressing your views and beliefs?"
Krekar: "I am protected by the law in this country,
but it is not a law that protects Muslims in
particular. Neither could it protect Muslims against
the attack that these cartoons were. It is not the
West that is the victim in this case."
--- Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Iraqi Ansar Al-Islam Commander Mullah Krekar in
> Norway: ?No Peace Between West & Islam Until
> Islamic Caliphate is Re-established; Bin Laden &
> Al-Zawahiri are Good People; Muslims in Europe
> Increase Like Mosquitoes ? By 2050 Europe Will Be
> 30% Muslim?
>
> In the aftermath of the controversy over the
> cartoons of Islam's Prophet Muhammad, the Internet
> edition of the Norwegian daily Dagbladet
> interviewed Kurdish Iraqi Islamist Mullah Krekar.
> In it, Krekar expounded his views on relations
> between Islam and the West. Krekar, whose real
> name is Najm Al-Din Faraj Ahmad, came to Norway as
> a refugee in 1991, where he established the
> Islamist Ansar Al-Islam organization. He is
> currently slated for deportation from Norway.
>
>
> Complete interview at:
>
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP113406
>
>
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