[lit-ideas] Re: Non-Muslims at the Philharmonic & 9/11
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:50:04 +0100 (BST)
>>>>>>>>
You don’t see any Muslims protesting against Israel at the Concert and Judy
sees only Jews
<<<<<<<<<<<
Stop lying, Lawrence. For what it's worth, I watched the video and, like John,
could not tell who the protesters were. I got the names I gave from the
sources I gave -- the Jewish Chronicle has all the names I gave. None is a
Muslim.
> Moving smartly along now,
well sure, far be it from you to respond...
ah yes Steyn, sacked by the Telegraph...
"How are America’s allies remembering the real victims of 9/11?...
. “How The Fear Of Being Criminalized Has Forced Muslims Into Silence,” reports
The Guardian in Britain."
oh right... yes, that is inadequate as a response to 9/11's anniversary. I
can't check that piece without a link but let me list just a few of the many
pieces marking the anniversary Steyn may just have managed to overlook:
BBC news 24 reports every hour
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14852346 interview with Tony Blair
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specialreports/9_11_ten_years_on.shtml BBC
world service special reports
and more I can't be bothered to look up
and -- guardian
special report: the 9/11 decade:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/9-11-the-10th-anniversary
etc..
--- On Sat, 10/9/11, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Non-Muslims at the Philharmonic & 9/11
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, 10 September, 2011, 18:23
Your right, John. I am amazed. You don’t see any Muslims protesting against
Israel at the Concert and Judy sees only Jews. Well, I’m glad that’s cleared
up. Moving smartly along now, a friend sent me the following article by Mark
Steyn on the 9/11 commemoration:
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/roll-316321-let-mark.html ; -- here are a few
excerpts: “I bumped into an old BBC pal the other day who’s flying in for the
anniversary to file a dispatch on why you see fewer women on the streets of New
York wearing niqabs and burqas than you do on the streets of London. She
thought this was a telling indictment of the post-9/11 climate of
“Islamophobia.” . . . “How are America’s allies remembering the real victims
of 9/11? “Muslim Canucks Deal With Stereotypes Ten Years After 9/11,” reports
CTV in Canada. And it’s a short step from
stereotyping to criminalizing. “How The Fear Of Being Criminalized Has Forced
Muslims Into Silence,” reports The Guardian in Britain. In Australia, a Muslim
terrorism suspect was so fearful of being criminalized and stereotyped in the
post-9/11 epidemic of paranoia that he pulled a Browning pistol out of his
pants and hit Sgt. Adam Wolsey of the Sydney constabulary. Fortunately, Judge
Leonie Flannery acquitted him of shooting with intent to harm on the grounds
that “‘anti-Muslim sentiment’ made him fear for his safety,” as Sydney’s Daily
Telegraph reported on Friday. That’s such a heartwarming story for this 9/11
anniversary they should add an extra panel to the peace quilt, perhaps showing
a terror suspect opening fire on a judge as she’s pronouncing him not guilty
and then shrugging off the light shoulder wound as a useful exercise in healing
and unity. “What of the 23rd Psalm? It was recited by Flight 93 passenger Todd
Beamer
and the telephone operator Lisa Jefferson in the final moments of his life
before he cried “Let's roll!” and rushed the hijackers. “No, sorry. Aside from
firemen, Mayor Bloomberg’s official commemoration hasn’t got any room for
clergy, either . . . In Shanksville, Pa., the zoning and permitting processes
are presumably less arthritic than in Lower Manhattan, but the Flight 93
memorial has still not been completed.
There were objections to the proposed “Crescent of Embrace” on the grounds
that it looked like an Islamic crescent pointing towards Mecca. The defense of
its designers was that, au contraire, it’s just the usual touchy-feely
huggy-weepy pansy-wimpy multiculti effete healing diversity mush. It doesn’t
really matter which of these interpretations is correct, since neither of them
has anything to do with what the passengers of Flight 93 actually did a decade
ago. 9/11 was both Pearl Harbor and the Doolittle Raid rolled into one, and the
fourth flight was the only good news of the day, when citizen volunteers formed
themselves into an ad hoc militia and denied Osama bin Laden what might have
been his most spectacular victory. A few brave individuals figured out what was
going on and pushed back within half-an-hour. But we can’t memorialize their
sacrifice within a decade. And when the architect gets the memorial brief, he
naturally assumes
there’s been a typing error and that “Let’s roll!” should really be “Let’s
roll over!” “And so we commemorate an act of war as a “tragic event,” and we
retreat to equivocation, cultural self-loathing, and utterly fraudulent
misrepresentation about the events of the day. In the weeks after 9/11,
Americans were enjoined to ask “Why do they hate us?” A better question is:
“Why do they despise us?” And the quickest way to figure out the answer is to
visit the Peace Quilt and the Wish Tree, the Crescent of Embrace and the Hole
of Bureaucratic Inertia.”
COMMENT: What a relief. I was beginning to think I was the only one who
could see Radical Muslims and might be hallucinating, but look. I found one
more. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Wager
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:59 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslims (plural) disrupt Israeli philharmonic concert
for Dutch Queen I'm amazed at how the human mind succeeds in seeing what it
wants to see, no matter what the evidence. Those of us who are paranoid about
fundamentalist Christians taking over the U.S. see lots of things through that
filter, and see a minor internecine squabble among fundamentalists as grounds
for something much bigger. Those of us who think most of the tea party
supporters are nuts
see anything said by a Republican as equally nuts. Those of us who are afraid
of Muslims see a disruption by what most YouTube posters called "yobs" as a
disruption by "Muslims."
I just looked at several versions of the disruption on YouTube and for the life
of me can't make out anything that would identify those yobs as Muslim,
Christian, or secular. Yes, they are protesting against the treatment of
Palestine, and yes most Palestinians are Muslim, but there are a lot of
Christian Palestinians and even quite a few non-religious supporters of
Palestine who might have been among the "yobs."
I don't usually respond to political posts here, one way or the other, because
I'm trying to sift through my own prejudices and filters and know that they are
very difficult to eliminate. I probably have MORE filters than most people; I
think almost everybody is just trying to get through life as well as they
can, and that most conspiracies and planned assaults on society are just as
ill-conceived and ill-planned and exaggerated in power as the stupidity of the
society the attacks are aimed at.
Thankfully.
Lawrence Helm wrote: One can find a fuller description of what happened at
http://yourjewishnews.com/10666.aspx ; Muslims around the audience popped up at
different times.
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