In a message dated 5/27/2010 7:08:58 A.M., donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: "Girls will be girls" is contradictory then she is wrong: _what is, unless it changes, will be_ - this is not a contradiction but (almost) a logical truism. If Anscombe was interpreting the phrase to mean "Girls will _change_ into girls", then there is a contradiction - for something cannot _change_ into what it already is (unless it changes into something else first). ---- That was Jennifer Hornsby's point: "The 'Girls will be girls' becomes tautologous with the introduction of an intermediate stage". The intermediate stage, I proposed in discussion -- 'pigs' -- was accepted with some reluctance. The point was then raised that in which case, it would be a pig that will be a girl. But not a girl a girl. This was referred to by Anscombe as 'the faith in the principle of transitivity'. JLS