Those writing about the decline and fall of civilizations, historians, sociologists, and anthropologists have developed terminology suitable to their tasks. Huntington uses the most widely accepted classification of civilizations in his thesis. Germany, of course, is in the Western Civilization. I'm sure Huntington, and the other historians, sociologists and anthropologists will be devastated to learn that you don't approve of their terminology. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:30 AM To: lit-ideas Subject: [lit-ideas] FW: Re: WTO and War Lawrence, what civilization would you put the Germans in (WWII)? Clashes of civilizations is an oxymoron. Clashes of barbarians is more to the point. Clashes of barbarians is definitely ongoing. It's known as history. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 3/1/2006 12:51:41 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: WTO and War the arguments of Samuel P. Huntington who argues against Fukuyama and thinks we shall have ongoing clashes of civilization.