In a message dated 6/17/2009 8:34:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I call 'a furrin > accent'. Exactly. As the Kingston Trio used to introduce their song "Gue, gue": "This next song is in French. Well, actually, it's Creole French. For those of you who speak Creole French, it's Northwestern Creole French...as spoken in perhaps Utah." People in Seattle would scrunch their noses when I talked. "Where are you from?" they'd ask, obviously afraid of catching my disease. Wiki says I speak Mississippi Delta Southern American English. "Ah shucks," I say, "I just speak wherever comes out of my mouth. Ain't got no time to think about it." ---- Well, this is more like the self-pragmatic contradiction. In "Language Myths" by P. Trudgill, there is a chapter that contains a map of the United States. The ONLY area where they have no accent is "Connecticut". I did read in the NYTimes once (the Connecticut Supplement -- online). "We have no accent". I cannot tell! I know Bostonians do have an accent (for Americans) because they say "kah" and "pahk", "pahk the kah". And new Yorkers like Sotomayor have a heavy accent, "Noo Yohoook". Depends on your ethnia, too. I don't know. I met like 2,500 Brits and spoke to them; I still cannot tell. Most Aussies I meet I think they are Cockneys so go figure. But ACCENT is a different animal altogether. We's speakin' TONGUES or languages, here. -------- Perhaps P. A. Stone could testify of some bilingual brain in Canada. All the Francophone Canadians I met or heard have a _horrible_ English. And they can't help it. It's the 'phonic apparatus' as my mother calls it. She thinks Anglos don't open their mouth when they speak, which amuses her. Obviously, they are unable to pronounce the Italianate vowels that we value in the Buenos Aires area. ---- The French (native) cannot pronounce the 'th' in 'the' or 'theatre'. I'm sure Trogge can, but most Germans have a problem there, too. The most difficult language to learn is Japanese, but perhaps McCreery met a bilingual. J. Evans cannot speak Welsh, so she shouldn't count here -- she was born in Bath, so there's no legal reason why she should make the effort, either. McEvoy from Eire is a different animal. I was told there is a crazy man in Ireland who was taught Gaelic as a first-language and almost died in the attempt. He learned English as a second language only (and this is recent), and therefore, 'his books sound as if written by a total furriner'. ----- In The Hebrides, north of D. Ritchie country, they spoke Hebridian, and I heard some of their folksongs but they put me to sleep. It's a very 'lullabyish' kind of language. Phatic speaks a lot of languages, so I wonder if he ever met a bilingual brain. In Argentina, native-Argentines of Native-Argentine descent (pre-Colombine we call them) speak in Guarany and such, but that language is slightly primitive in terms of inflections, so I don't know if it reflects on the dialect of Spanish they speak. Etc. J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html