Mike, I respond to your note and elaborate at http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2011/09/elena-bonner-and-why-one-becomes.html :-) Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Geary Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:48 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Fleas First to Chris Bruce: I recognized the lines from Prufrock, but I'd never come across the word "matutinal". Being a good ole Catholic boy, I was well familiar with matins, of course, but dismissed any possible connection with matutinal. Well, obviously I'm the one who should be dismissed. Thank's for the addition to my vocabulary. Now in hope of humiliating you, do you know the word "tergiversate"? Next, Lawrence: Interesting comments. I haven't self-identified as Catholic for 40 years, so I have my doubts about those former beliefs freezing me into a a rigidity of political thought. I'm sure I'm ultra-liberal because my parents were and I greatly admired and loved them and in many ways have tried to emulate them. But how explain your tergiversation? I would guess that at some point along the way you decided that liberalism was not in your best interest. Well, it's hard to argue that point. I was surprised and a bit fascinated by the fact that your son is a handyman -- my prejudice, mea culpa. I install and service light commerical and residential AC and heat, repair restaurant kitchen equipment (most of my customers are independant restaurants), I've been doing this work for 35 years. I enjoy this work more than teaching, more than managing restaurants , more than managing a parts company and more than working for a TV station, more than sacking groceries or cashiering or soda jerking or throwing papers -- all of which I've done. I like being my on my own. I totally understand your son's love for handymanning. Now to Jack Sprat: I have trouble finding anything to disagree with you about -- except maybe that you choose to lurk rather than comment. Hope to see more contributions in the future. Mike Geary in the spirit of Labor Day, I must go labor now. Installing a central AC unit, must be finished by Thursday. No rest for the weary.