In a message dated 4/10/2004 9:13:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, JulieReneB@xxxxxxx writes: <<'...daruber muB mann schweigen'>> ....has a nice ring to it ....but, er, what does it mean? I'd hate to use it inappropriately.... 'Schweigen' is one of those German words that have no exact English translation. It means 'consign to silence', but there is no mention of 'silence' is 'schweigen'. It can mean 'silence' (as in 'Silence the Dogs'). I don't know if there is a word in English which has the same root, 'schweig-'. It occurs in §7 of Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus: "those things about which you can not speak, those things you must consign to silence". We were discussing recently on this forum if that was a tautology. For R. Paul it's a 'moral maxim', rather -- and contingent at that. I still think it's kind of tautological in that I have not been able to find _one single_ case to refute Wittgesntein's §7. Suppose 'microbiology'. There are things about microbiology I cannot say much about, but I don't think I _must_ consign those things to silence. I can always learn, for example... Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html