Whatever he thinks, there are anti-abortion US people flying for treatment to a country that uses aborted fetuses for medical purposes (the ones I've seen interviewed are OK people in that they are very honest about it and they don't actually campaign against abortion); and soon, they'll be flying here... -- we are behind South Korea but hope to catch up soon. **Reproductive** cloning is illegal here and research is strictly regulated but that doesn't put us at a research disadvantage re medical treatment, it seems; that isn't why we're behind the Koreans. Selective IVF is legal in certain cases -- some people are unhappy about this -- basically cases where a new child can save the life of an existing one, by being a bone marrow donor, but that's a common law precedent matter. Judy Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 4:12:38 PM, Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx wrote: Eac> In llight of hearning that Brian does not believe in governmental Eac> intervention in terms of taxes or health care, I wonder at his viewpoint in the matter Eac> of stem cell research and cloning. Eac> As one who has been dealing with a Representative in my area who has tried Eac> to keep the whole biotechnology world from progressing as well as being aware Eac> of what some of the 'good' that can happen in that realm...I wonder what he Eac> thinks... Eac> Just curious, Eac> Marlena Eac> See this paragraph of the following (in particular): Eac> At stake with reproductive cloning is not only whether you can conceive a Eac> child who shares your genetic makeup, but whether you have the right to improve Eac> the genetic makeup of your children: to prevent them from getting genetic Eac> diseases, to prolong their lifespan or to improve their physical appearance. Eac> You should have such rights just as you have the right to vaccinate your Eac> children or to fit them with braces. Eac> _http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/epstein/2005/epstein052305.htm_ Eac> (http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/epstein/2005/epstein052305.htm) Eac> Cloning Is Moral Eac> May 23, 2005 Eac> by Alex Epstein Eac> In a major breakthrough for medical progress, scientists from South Korea Eac> have created a highly efficient method for cloning human embryos and extracting Eac> stem cells--a feat that makes life-saving embryonic stem-cell treatments Eac> that much closer to reality. Instead of taking this thrilling news as an Eac> opportunity to celebrate cloning, politicians and Eac> intellectuals are once again Eac> calling for bans. Some seek to ban all cloning, while others oppose "only" Eac> reproductive cloning. Although each group claims the moral high ground, both Eac> positions are profoundly immoral. Any attempt to ban human cloning technology should Eac> be rejected permanently, because cloning--therapeutic and reproductive--is Eac> morally good. Eac> Consider first therapeutic cloning, which opponents perversely condemn as Eac> "antilife." Senator Sam Brownback, who has sponsored a Congressional ban on all Eac> cloning, says therapeutic cloning is "creating human life to destroy [it]." Eac> President Bush calls it "growing human beings for spare body parts." Eac> In fact, therapeutic cloning is a highly pro-life technology, since cloned Eac> embryos can be used to extract medically potent embryonic stem cells. A cloned Eac> embryo is created by inserting the nucleus of a human body cell into a Eac> denucleated egg, which is then induced to divide until it reaches the embryo Eac> stage. These embryos are not human beings, but microscopic bits of protoplasm the Eac> width of a human hair. They have the potential to grow into human beings, but Eac> actual human beings are the ones dying for lack of this technology. The Eac> embryonic stem cells extracted from a cloned embryo can become any other type of Eac> human cell. In the future, they may be used to develop pancreatic cells for Eac> curing diabetes, cardiac muscle cells for curing heart disease, brain cells Eac> for curing Alzheimer's--or even entire new organs for transplantation. "There's Eac> not an area of medicine that this technology will not potentially impact," Eac> says Nobel laureate Harold Varmus. Eac> Opponents of therapeutic cloning know all this, but are unmoved. This is Eac> because their fundamental objection is not that therapeutic cloning is antilife, Eac> but that it entails "playing God"--i.e., remaking nature to serve human Eac> purposes. "[Human cloning] would be taking a major step into making man himself Eac> simply another one of the man-made things," says Leon Kass, chairman of the Eac> President's Council on Bioethics. "Human nature becomes merely the last part of Eac> nature to succumb to the technological project, which turns all of nature Eac> into raw material at human disposal." Columnist Armstrong Williams condemns all Eac> cloning as "human egotism, or the desire to exert our will over every aspect Eac> of our surroundings," and cautions: "We're not God." Eac> The one truth in the anticloning position is that cloning does represent "the Eac> desire to exert our will over every aspect of our surroundings." But such a Eac> desire is not immoral--it is a mark of virtue. Using technology to alter Eac> nature is a requirement of human life. It is what brought man from the cave to Eac> civilization. Where would we be without the men who "exerted their will" over Eac> their surroundings and constructed the first hut, cottage, and skyscraper? Eac> Every advance in human history is part of "the Eac> technological project," and has Eac> made man's life longer, healthier, and happier. These advances are produced by Eac> those who hold the premise that suffering and disease are a curse, not to be Eac> humbly accepted as "God's will," but to be fought proudly with all the power Eac> of man's rational mind. Eac> The same virtue applies to reproductive cloning--which, despite the Eac> ridiculous, horror-movie scenarios conjured up by its Eac> opponents, would simply result Eac> in time-separated twins just as human as anyone else. Once it becomes safe, Eac> reproductive cloning will have legitimate uses for infertile couples and for Eac> preventing the transmission of genetic diseases. Even more important, it is Eac> significant as an early form of a tremendous value: genetic engineering, which Eac> most anticloners object to because as such it entails "playing God" with the Eac> genetic makeup of one's child. At stake with reproductive cloning is not only Eac> whether you can conceive a child who shares your genetic makeup, but whether Eac> you have the right to improve the genetic makeup of your children: to prevent Eac> them from getting genetic diseases, to prolong their lifespan or to improve Eac> their physical appearance. You should have such rights just as you have the Eac> right to vaccinate your children or to fit them with braces. Eac> The mentalities that denounce cloning and "playing God" have consistently Eac> opposed technological progress, especially in medicine. They objected to Eac> anesthesia, smallpox inoculations, contraception, heart transplants, in vitro Eac> fertilization--on the grounds that these innovations were "unnatural" and contrary Eac> to God's will. To let them cripple biotechnological progress by banning Eac> cloning would be a moral abomination. Eac> _Alex Epstein_ Eac> (mailto:reaction@xxxxxxxxxxx?subject=Epstein%20on%20Social%20Security) Eac> ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eac> To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, Eac> digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html -- mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html