Exactly, so funny McEvoy! I expect Sue Trevor was impressed by my knowledge (inspired by her patronising, but well meant, "Mr Speranza", matronising --) of genitalia female mutilation. A jolly good wash is indeed the prerequisite for a cavalier attitude to life, so what's with that? Surely I rather keep the feathers. What irritates Geary is the early period (of a boy's life) in which the operation is operated on the boy: "I realised I was circumcised long after there was anything I could do about it -- rather than blame my father". ---- I held a long discussion with a classicist on this, McMahon. We were discussing Aristophanes, as discussed by Dover. In 456b Aristophanes writes, "You cut one! Get out of here". The vase representations show that the Greeks despised a cut one. "Why, they never felt sexual attraction for them". It was correlated with Eastern religions --. They also despised a long prick, as a sign of mental turpitude. When Lacan observed Greek statuary (he lacked a classic roundup education) he said, "fitosis", or the name of the disease when the penis is engulfed by the balls. He failed to realise the canons of Western beauty. The other day I was watching Helena Bonham Carter in film, The heart of me. Based on The Echoing Grove. And she uses, "balls-up". A mess. I wonder if that's a sexist remark. J. L. Speranza Bordighera -- where we make hay while the sun shines we make love while it rains JLS In a message dated 10/6/2009 2:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Circumcision's medically unnecessary. Look at this happy chap and his fragrant, uninfected beau:- http://www.cavaliersball.com/2008CVBall_02.jpg Health advice: If there's feathers in it, it just needs a jolly good wash. Mental health advice: after washing, ask "How did they get there?" Some know. (to jog memory [if broadminded]: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/26137258_1e3e499ca1.jpg). Donal Sorry. Came over funny. Changed thread title.