Let me add to that. The auto diaphragm is not so much a deal breaker for me as I have been attempting to use R glass on a Canon and now a Nikon. It is inconvenient, to be sure, but if the focus indicator on the M 240 will work down to a descent f-stop, that would be fine.
Here are spome things I would like to ask someone who is actually using the M 240, like George.
1. How much shutter delay is there since I assume the live view in the viewfinder has the shutter open, and the shutter must close, and then reopen to expose the sensor. At least this is the way I assume it works.
2. When your R lens is stopped down to say f-8, how easy is it to focus in the EVF? Does the fact that the lens has a fairly large Depth of Field at the aperture mean it cannot pick up the actual critical focus distance and there is more slop in its performance? How about at F-11 or f-16? I know my Nikon D600 has a hard time at f-8.
3. Does the EVF compensate for the stopped down lens and brighten up the view so it always looks good?
4. If you have the camera set in manual mode, and you change shutter and f-stop so the image will be under or over exposed, is this reflected in the EVF or does it maintain the same brightness no matter what the settings will produce on the final image?
Any info about this from you, George, would be greatly appreciated by me, and perhaps the group.
Aram -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Young" <dsy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:49 AM To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R System les on the new M (typ 240)
Hi George!I have no argument with the fact that the M (t240) takes superb photos with Rglass... Sod did my Canon and Olympus bodies. But none of them offer an automatic diaphragm... which for me, is essential.It strikes me that the M(T240) + finder + R->M adapter will work rather well, for slow, methodical photography, such as landscapes. But, I fail to see howit would work well in fast acting situations. For me, the lack ofauto-diaphragm is a deal breaker - especially considering the cost, compared toother options that also do not offer auto-diaphragm. Just my 2 cents worth. David.Dear Howard and LRflex team, I totally disagree with your assessment of the new solution to the R system. I did purchase the M (typ 240) for using my R glass on a full frame camera. I did not like the feeling and weight of the Cannon 5D Mark III or the size of the earlier Leica solution DMR. I really love this camera. I find the EVF to work very well and with the R to M adapter, which I hand coded to bring up the R lenses, I enjoy the smaller size of the camera and the ability to use my excellent M glass when I choose. This is the solution I have been waiting for and I only say to you doubters try the R lens on one and download the pictures. They have excellent dynamic range as discussed below. I have many pictures posted on the M users site on facebook that were taken with the R glass . I have been using the new M camera camera for two months now and really love it. I even had a chance to compare it to the above Cannon. My friend who has a home on the West Coast of Korea invited me to come stay for a week during mid term exams at my university when I have no classes. He has a Cannon 5D Mark III and was curious about the difference between that camera and my recently purchased Leica M (Typ 240). We both have the excellent Vario-Elmar-R 3.5-4/21-35 ASPH lens and it is his favorite lens on the Cannon (he had the mirror shaved to use the lens on his Cannon). Using the same lens on his Cannon and the same ISO and f stop and I using the M with a R to M adapter and the EVF, we set out to take pictures at the ocean, in the mountains, at a Buddhist temple and a large brick cathedral. We spent the whole week photographing as many different scenes as possible (over 300 pictures). Each evening we posted the day's photos in jpag (No photoshop) onto the computer and compared the photos side by side (two screens). At the end of the week we both came to the same conclusion- the M photographs had more dynamic range of colors and better resolution of details than the Cannon photographs. This is not a scientific test, and no tripods were used, but a test by two advanced amateurs (He is a adjunct professor of photography at a local university) of the 5D Mark III and the new Leica M. The context was that he was considering replacing his Cannon with the new M. At the end of the week did he decide to change cameras, NO! The reason was that he wished to wait for the next M as he had recently purchased a M9P and although the results indicated the new M performed very well, he did not wish at this time to move on. He did like the weight and size of the new M but these were not enough to move to the new camera. Also he is very conservative and wants to wait before purchasing as there are so many new features on the new M, he wishes to see how they pan out. (I posted the above on LUG) I especially love the pictures taken with the Summilux-R 1.4/80 and the Apo-Macro-Elmarit-R 2.8/100. Sincerely, George in Korea Hi Wally, Several years ago Leica elected to develop the S system and to stop the development of the R10 film replacement for the R9. They sold off their inventory of R lenses at deep discounts. They promised to diehard R enthusiasts that an "adequate solution" to using R lenses would be provided and that is now the M 240 which can take R lenses with an adaptor and focus them using live view on the LCD or the EVF. As Philippe says no one knows if this is an "adequate solution" as no one has really used the system in real shooting situations due to unavailability of cameras and adaptors. My view is that for moving subjects the solution will not be adequate due to a) the magnified shaking when trying to focus lenses with the EVF / LCD using magnification and b) shutter lag due to the closing of the shutter (after focusing with the shutter open) followed by opening and closing of the shutter to take the picture. The decisive moment will be long gone. Also there is no auto aperture in this set up. So, in sum, it is my view that Leica effectively has abandoned the R system as a viable picture taking tool - but depending on for requirements - that may the too extreme a view. Bests Howard Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Wallace Tabor <wetabor@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [LRflex] Re: leicareflex Digest V10 #156 Hello I'm slow at keeping up! Is it true that Leica Camera Group has discontinued the entire R System? Wally Tabor ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/
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