Geoff, I'd give it a pop of contrast as in print it on a #3 or #4 paper. But then I lean toward a slightly snappier look to B&W prints certainly in scenes such as this. ted _____ From: leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Hopkinson Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:54 PM To: 'Leica Users Group'; leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; MUGers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: IMG: BW conversion, M8 scenic Folks does this work for you? http://www.pbase.com/image/102924810 It is based on a similar shot to another conversion. This time with much less tonal manipulation in the conversion. C&C always welcome. Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/