Hello! Adjusting transients IMHO is the trickiest part and many
features are not accessible, but some basic stuff still can be done.
In the Audiosnap palette there are two parameters you can adjust to
make Sonar detect less or mroe transients (if I remember well, they
are sensitivity and threshold).
After that, if you want to insert a transient that hasn't been
detected by Sonar, you simply go where the transient starts and press
Ctrl+Alt+I: a new transient is placed at that position.
If a transient has been deteceted at the wrong position and you are
lucky enough that deletion is accessible in your version of Sonar and
JSonar, you can go to that transient and press Ctrl+Alt+D.
If you find that when you press Ctrl+Alt+D nothing or something wrong
is deleted as in my case, the only solution is to increase sensitivity
or threshold until wrong transients aren't detected and then insert
the right ones yourself.
Hope it helps!
Regards,
Christian
2017-01-14 8:03 GMT+01:00, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@xxxxxxxxx>:
Hi
Now a question again
How to adjust the transient if Sonar detected at the wrong place? I usually
see that cituation on my recorded audio. May be I asked this but noone
answer
Any help would be appreciated
Cuong
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Comaschi" <christiancomaschi81@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jsonar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:45 PM
Subject: [jsonar] Re: quantize audio, and some basic questions
I'm pleased that my explanation was of help!
I used to consider the Audiosnap feature something too complicated,
until a friend of mine made me aware of it; now I use it very often.
It makes many tasks a lot easier, especially timing issues in a track
or in a bunch of tracks. Before that, I spent hours time-stretching
and moving clips by hand without being so precise.
What is a transient? Interesting question! It's quite obviuos when we
work on instruments with a well-defined attack, such as a bass, a
piano, an acoustic guitar or drums; as for vocals, I have never tried
to quantize them and maybe I'll try it out of curiosity, anyway I'm
almost sure that it's just the same as other instruments: when you
have a well-defined attack, such as a "p" or a "t", that is a
transient, while when you sing "oohs" and "aahs", you have very few of
them. But even when they aren't properly detected, you can tell Sonar
where they are and let it do the magic for you, and it's a lot faster
than the old way!
Regards,
Christian
2017-01-09 14:36 GMT+01:00, Yamuna Jivana dasa <ykhandoo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi,
You wrote:
I'm not one of the Sonar gurus, but almost no one is answering thisquestion so I'll try to explain what I have learned. >
Well, you certainly explain well. Thank you. I have never delved into
understanding this AudioSnap feature before, and this is welcome from
you -
I will save it away for reference should I ever need this.
I'm a little confused about how Sonar determines what it will consider
the
transient positions within the audio.
What will it do, let's say, with vocals for example?
Thanks again, and please do not think you know too little to answer
questions. I certainly learnt from you today.
Kind regards,
Yamuna
First of all, it's not necessary to go the audiosnap-palette to reach
the audio quantize option unless you want to use some fancy stuff such
as the transient's pool: you can quantize audio with the usual
Process->Quantize command.
When you select some audio and go to Process->Quantize, you can choose
to quantize the Audiosnap transients or the start of every audio clip.
The easiest method is to quantize the Audiosnap transients, as you
were already trying to do, but before quantizing you have to check if
every transients matches every note. If it doesn't , you should tweak
sensitivity and threshold until you find the exact match and maybe you
have to insert and delete transients by hand. I still haven't found an
accessible way to delete transients, so by now I generally prefer to
have fewer transients automatically detected and insert some of them
by hand.
If you have Sonar 8.5 you can use tab and shift+tab to go to the next
and previous transient; I have an older version of Sonar and I had to
map two shortcuts to the next/previous transient commands.
One more thing, when you selected the portion of audio to quantize,
did you check that all the clips you selected were audiosnap-enabled?
If only a part of your selection was quantized, maybe the next ones
were in clips that weren't audiosnap-enabled, or that transients
weren't properly detected.
My suggested step-by-step procedure is:
1) select the track, select from start to end with Ctrl+F9 and
Ctrl+F10, Edit->Bounce to clips so that your audio track becomes a
single clip;
2) select the track again and pres Alt+Enter to go to clip properties
and select the option to enable audiosnap. Here you can also choose
the algorithm to use for stretching: you should keep the default for
online processing, while you should choose something else for the
offline processing (there is one for vocals, one for bass and so on);
3) check if all the transients match a single note, otherwise tweak
them to get a perfect match;
4) select the portion of audio to quantize and do Process->Quantize to
your desired resolution, making sure you check the audiosnap option;
5) Listen if it has been quantized correctly. It's still online
processing, so audio quality is poor, but you still can hear if it's
properly quantized or not;
6) select track, select from start to end and do Edit->Bounce to clips
to perform offline processing.
I hope it helps!
2017-01-08 9:19 GMT+01:00, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@xxxxxxxxx>:
Hi
I think it could move the note. Although it not did wll, compare to the
midi. Let check this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbBRNoE-0eI
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----- Original Message -----
From: Yamuna Jivana dasa
To: jsonar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:27 PM
Subject: [jsonar] Re: quantize audio, and some basic questions
I am definitely not an expert with this, but from what I think I
understand, Quantize Audio will only move the entire audio event closer
to
the start of the specified MBT values. It will not detect the sounds
within
the audio clip and move them around like it moves midi notes.
Correct me if I’m wrong, Guys.
Yamuna
From: Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jsonar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jsonar] quantize audio, and some basic questions
To all sonar user
I continue asking about the questions I asked at the first time
joining
this list because I think you might misunderstand that e-mail due to my
English, and may be I miss some knowledge.
I'd like to do quantize for the audio track because it make the song
sounds better. So I need your help. I know that sighted people can do
that
using the audiosnap feature, but the way in sonar 8.5's documentation
sound
not accessible for me. I'd like to give some information about thing I
did,
and not acomplished:
1. When I Press shift+A to open the audio snap, I can access the
quantize
audio option, and make my choice for that. but when I press enter, sound
like Sonar just quantize for a very first bit of the track. In the audio
snap panel, I see the audio spanp option, but when I press enter to find
out
what is it, Jaws and sonar always crass, and I must restart my computer.
2. When navigating in the panel, I see the options like process
quantize
for whole track or clip. I understand what the track, and what the clip
is.
but in sonar, I'm not sure i understand correctly. In some audio editor
program, clip is a part of sound seperated from a track, like from bar 1
to
bar 4. Is it true with Sonar? and if true, how to do it.
Appreciated your help.
Cuong
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Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; congnghe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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