It also needs a checklist item for Autorudder to be off. Autorudder is awful - it's a kid's setting for FS as much as turning the flight dynamics option to easy. There is only one aircraft I know that had interlinked rudder and ailerons and that was the Alon A1 Aircoupe and that was awful to fly too. The insidious problem with autorudder is that it masks any asymmetric power because it automatically corrects for this. Had you not had autorudder on you would have known right from the beginning of the flight that there was an engine problem but autorudder masked most of the vital clues. The autopilot is also guilty of this in that if locked on HDG and ALT it will do its utmost to maintain these regardless of what is going wrong with the rest of the aircraft. It can mask things like trim runaway almost completely and an inattentive pilot won't know this until he turns the AP off. bones -----Original Message----- From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill Sent: 01 February 2008 14:48 To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb] Re: Weather! Mystery solved, I think. I've just tried another Citation flight into Ronaldsway, in conditions similar to yesterday, without yesterday's problems. This time I started at Colerne. Yesterday I'd been using the TB21GT, which had its engine running before I loaded the Citation. I'm pretty sure that resulted in only one of the Citation's engines running, which would account for the need of almost full rudder. If that was the case I'm quite chuffed I managed a decent ILS arrival. It does mean there's another item on my check list, the minor detail of "both engines running?". Gerry Winskill Gerry Winskill wrote: > I thought I'd sample our weather, so, with Active Sky running, flew > the Citation from Liverpool to Ronaldsway. > It was difficult to hold the runway heading, once off the ground at > Speke. Once on AP the flight was OK until down to 140kias with the > APPR in and ILS captured. It just couldn't hold it and began to > rotate. With AP off and flying manually it couldn't handle Autorudder, > so that had to be disconnected and the Localiser held only by > resorting to a bootfull of rudder, held on throughout. Groundspeed on > finals was a very sedate 100 kts, though the clock was reading the > statutary 135. > By the time I was parked up I was cream crackered. > > Off for a lie down. > > Gerry Winskill > >