RE: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!

  • From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:46:35 -0700

I agree with the below about open source. =20
While we are on the subject of computers and such linix beets them all.
I also do not need to replace all my computers to use it. =20
Hth=20

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of David Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:35 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!


I believe there's one things that this other person hasn't looked in=20
todays's market.  Mac is outdoing MS on a lot of it's ideas.  The main=20
things that Mac has looked at and has imported on it the use of the Open

source.
Your Friend
dave

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Terrill Reynolds" <terrill1@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!


> No I did not use the merge, I never use the merge.  I think your=20
> mistaken about the Mac, for sure Microsoft will always have the=20
> private market, but Mac is already moving into schools and have been=20
> in many schools for years, and government agencies as we speak; so do=20
> not be so quick to judge the future from what happened forty some=20
> years ago.  Mac did not spend all that money hiring outside=20
> contractors to build a full screen reader into their operating system=20
> because their kind, their doing it to comply with government=20
> accessibility laws and unless Microsoft does the same they will be the

> computer for the personal user and Mac will be the choice for the=20
> government as it is in most schools and government agencies already. =20
> If you've not looked at a new Mac lately, you have a wrong view of a=20
> Mac, there's nothing that a Mac can not do that  windows can, simply=20
> windows has the personal market but Mac will take over government=20
> contracts, it's already happening. Regards, Terrill Reynolds,
> --
> Email:
> Terrill1@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!
>
>
> As for your MSN problem... by any chance did you run the merge utility

> when you installed 6.1? If so try this. Reinstall 6.1. Before using=20
> Merge remove
> any and all MSN scripts from the 6.0 folder. This will leave the
scripts
> that were installed with 6.1 to run MSN.
>
> As for the Mac situation. They said the same about the Apple in the=20
> eighties in the education field. I think you'll find that once the=20
> newness of the current Mac versions wears off and people find out how=20
> limited they are the
> PC's will find themselves back in to offices, just as they did in the
> education sector. I have nothing against Mac's, just realize what they
> are
> and what they are and are not capable of.
>
>
>
> Thanks; Gene
>
> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terrill Reynolds" <terrill1@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!
>
>
>> first that is great that it works for you and your wife I am happy=20
>> for you, but that does not address the problem of the ones who it is=20
>> not working for other than to say it works for you, great but there=20
>> is a problem because it is not working for everyone. second whether=20
>> MAC works with more applications or not, the whole
> reason
>> they included a full free screen reader was for the very reason of=20
>> getting some of these state contracts and comply with accessibility=20
>> in laws in government funded workplace.  My school has already=20
>> switched
> to
>> Mac and so have many other agencies; so it really does not matter how

>> many applications Mac does or does not work with because the way
> things
>> are going, if you want a government job in the future you had better=20
>> know how to use a Mac. Regards,
>> Terrill Reynolds,
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>> Terrill1@xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!
>>
>>
>> Two problems here. First, for most people using XP Home or Media
> Center
>> that
>> I know Messenger 6.2 works just fine with the U update... including
> both
>> mine and my wife's computers. Secondly, Mac is no replacement for DOS

>> based PC's unless you are doing specific applications. Generally=20
>> software is
> a
>> lot
>> easier to find and is much more frequently written for Windows than
> for
>> Mac.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks; Gene
>>
>> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terrill Reynolds" <terrill1@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!
>>
>>
>>> Hi, MSN 6.2 does not work for me either with Jaws 6101006u_ILM. =20
>>> When
>> I
>>> install Jaws, 6101006u_ILM, MSN 6.2 stops reading everything with=20
>>> the jaws curser or anything.  Even uninstalling Jaws 6101006u_ILM=20
>>> does
> not
>>> let the other versions on my computer work any longer with MSN 6.2,
> it
>>> breaks them also.  The only thing I can do is to uninstall all
>> versions
>>> of jaws, clean the registry and start new with the only version that

>>> does work with MSN 6.2, which is jaws6.0.  I have talked to freedom=20
>>> scientific and the first time they told me to hit the alt key twice
>> and
>>> this would fix it, well guess what it did not, and even if it did,=20
>>> it
>> is
>>> not an acceptable fix for me.  The second person I talked to said
> that
>>> this was a known problem and their working on it, finally the third=20
>>> person I talked to said it is not a problem and no one else has
>> reported
>>> it which I know is an absolute lie as I have talked to at least=20
>>> three other people who have reported the exact same problem using=20
>>> Jaws 6101006u_ILM and had to go back to jaws 6.0as well.  To me MSN
>> messenger
>>> is one of the most important programs since it is how I keep in=20
>>> touch with many people around the world, and business associates;=20
>>> but since
>> it
>>> is not high on the state agencies list, it gets very little=20
>>> attention from freedom scientific.  The least I would expect from a=20
>>> product
> that
>>> costs so much which I am paying out of my pocket is to keep the
>> features
>>> it already has working before releasing a half baked, bug riddled=20
>>> product.  I encourage anyone who is having this problem to report=20
>>> it. At the very least, I expect a company to acknowledge that there=20
>>> is a problem and not to just deny it exists and hope it goes away. =20
>>> The
>> last
>>> person I talked to wanted me to install Jaws 6101006u_ILM so he can
>> hear
>>> it does not work with MSN 6.2, which I refused, I'm not stupid and
>> have
>>> been through this 3 times with the same results and will not install
> a
>>> product that is going to cause me to have to uninstall all versions
> of
>>> jaws, clean the registry and go back to jaws 6.0, go through making
>> all
>>> the settings right again; the last version that actually works with
>> MSN
>>> 6.2.  If people do not start complaining to some of these state
>> agencies
>>> who have the contracts nothing will ever get done.  If you think
>> Freedom
>>> Scientific cares about the average user who pays our of their pocket

>>> your extremely mistaken, the only way we will ever get them to
> improve
>>> and care about their average customers is to complain to the
>> government
>>> agencies who are allowing them to treat us this way by giving them=20
>>> contracts I feel they do not deserve as long as they keep putting=20
>>> out junk.  My school has already switched to MAC, which comes with a

>>> full screen reader free right out of the box and window eyes is=20
>>> catching
> up
>>> on the office programs.  In short writing to freedom scientific is
>> going
>>> to get you nothing more than a blow off which frankly is insulting=20
>>> to me, complain to your state agencies, senators anyone but freedom=20
>>> scientific if you ever want them to listen to the average user. =20
>>> They make their product for government contracts and could care less

>>> about you and I who pay for this over priced product out of our=20
>>> pocket.
>>>
>>> Also, since XP and XP pro are essentially the same why are we still=20
>>> paying higher price for XP pro, they do not have to do any more than

>>> they already do to make jaws work with any versions of XP; I can=20
>>> tell you why it is because mostly government agencies use XP pro so=20
>>> they
>> know
>>> that they can charge more and the government will pay extra for it
>> while
>>> they do absolutely no extra work at all to make it work with any XP=20
>>> version.  I intend to call every state agency I can, my senator and=20
>>> congressional representative; if we do not make noise we will not be

>>> heard since we are the minority we must join to get any changes made
>> or
>>> keep getting bug filled over charged products.  Nothing is changing
>> the
>>> way were doing things now, it is time to go in a different direction
>> and
>>> hit them in their pockets which is the only thing that they actually

>>> give a damn about.  I for one am sick of paying for products full of

>>> bugs and workarounds for formally working applications and intend to

>>> take action more than calling freedom scientific, which ultimately
>> will
>>> get you nowhere.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Terrill Reynolds,
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>>> Terrill1@xxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Terrill Reynolds,
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>>> Terrill1@xxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "serrebi" <serrebi101@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:57 PM
>>> Subject: jaws 6.1 and msn messenger6.2 , not working!
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> I'm running the latest versioni of jfwv6.1, and msn conversations=20
>>> are not being read, even with the jaws cursor. Any suggestions. P.s.

>>> I'm new, go easy! lol Brandon
>>>
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