Re: getting JAWS to read dynamicly loaded table
- From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:20:10 -0400
Kim, I will let you know if I think of anything else, but there is one thing
I might try.
While in IE, press insert six on the number row.
This will bring up the configuration manager.
Go to the set options menu and choose html options.
Pick the tables tab.
There is a combo box. I might try all tables.
You can press insert f1 in any on the options and it will tell you what it
is for. Then enter on okay, then alt f4 to leave the configuration manager
and enter on yes to save your changes.
For example this is:
JAWS can be set to detect only data tables, or to detect all tables,
including tables used to format the layout of the page.
The nesting level of each table is also announced.
Tables are often used to provide page layout formatting, so setting this
option to All Tables can provide a lot of information on some pages.
The default setting is Data Tables.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kim slack" <kimslack@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: getting JAWS to read dynamicly loaded table
I can't hand off the s/w. Its purchased software used for state govt. The
makers would lynch me for sure.
I can tell you that its for IE 6 and uses an MS ActiveX plugin for XML to
link it to the HTML page. It also uses Javascript that is microsoft
specific..Some of the popups use a showModalDialog proprietary function. But
this should be okay because I think JAWS is supposed to work well with
Explorer.) Many of the places its reading are cells wi/in a table which use
span tags. It makes use of usually two stylesheets and inline styling).
The sw really isn't too bad with JAWS. I can manuver around 90% of the
code by tabbing. But for some reason it won't read some of the table
content generated within span tags and using "datasrc" tag within the span.
Another problem area is a popup generic error message that uses a textarea.
It only reads the title.
I've Insert V'd and Insert/Shift/V'd using various combinations and got it
to read the first cell of the table which is a checkbox and the last cell in
the row...but nothing in between.
I've been looking at the w3c coding standards and comparing them to our
code but I don't see anything standing out saying "this is bad" as yet.
Any hints or suggestions as to why it would skip cells or not read a popup
textarea or text within a span tag would be helpful. I wish I could get some
clues.
Thanks. Kim
Debbie Scales <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
He means turn off the virtual PC Cursor with insert z. But I seriously
doubt that is the way you want your users to have to read their WebPages!
To turn the vpc back on, hit the plus on your number pad.
And without the vpc, it is probably not likely jaws could process many of
the elements.
My thought is that I don't see why it would make any difference if the
content is dynamically loaded from XML or if it is static. By the time Jaws
reads the page in the virtual buffer, the text is the same.
Are you dynamically changing the table cell contents once the page is
loaded?
Have you tried
the table or a portion of the table with just static text to see if jaws
reads it correctly then? Maybe it is something in the table layout and not
the fact it is XML?
I really think jaws can handle xml. I know they even use it in the jaws
scripting language, and I think they use it, or a form of it, for the
speech and sounds manager.
You might want to check out:
http://www.washington.edu/accessit/articles?26
It has a section for using XML for accessibility.
I really wish that you could give us the link to these pages so we could
play with them, smile.
Here's another link talking about accessible tables, and it has XML in the
table.
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test111.html
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "kim slack"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: getting JAWS to read dynamicly loaded table
Hmm.. I installed 7.0. from the box.. I'll look at the site and see if I
can get an upgrade.What is the VPC? I have been going thru the INSERT-V
window list and playing with these options and the config mgr list which is
similar.
But I'll see if I can get an upgrade. Thanks.
Kim
Jeff Bishop wrote:
Have you tried turning off the vpc and turning it back on? What
version are you using? This may be better in 7.1.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of kim slack
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:02 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: getting JAWS to read dynamicly loaded table
I am testing our software with JAWS and its not reading alot of tables
being loaded by XML dynamically.
I've played with the config manager but it only reads the first and last
cell.
Is there a way to get JAWS to read table cells that have span tags around
them and the data is loaded dynamically rather than static?
Kim
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