As I stated earlier, I can not set up row & column title reading with Jaws 8 for excel. Here is what I think the problem is. If I start with a new database, there is no problem with 8. However, if using an existing database, which was set up using Jaws 7, there is no way. My conclusion. 8 is messing up forcing me to use 7.1 or earlier. I already talked to Jaws and they were no help. following there instruction; which was to read the updated Daisy training material, which did not answer my problem at all, I'll contact them again. Mark We are prosperous in proportion to what we can do without.