Re: Yardbird-Clicking on buttons
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:29:04 -0700
Hi Barbara,
Just to clarify a couple of things. first of all, my partial sightedness
isn't that important in this discussion, because I'm an experienced Jaws
user who needn't look at my monitor necessarily for any practical purpose,
though I appreciate being able to see what little I can. But I wasn't basing
my conjectures on this, just saying that I can tell visually when the screen
is changing in a major way, like when you load a new Web page. But this is
just a way of emphasizing that I'm not guessing at times like that.
As for your puzzlement over a sound effect going missing, I have to report
that I've just been Web surfing a lot this afternoon doing research with a
variety of Web resources and archived news articles, so I've been changing
Web pages quite a lot. And now that I'm listening for it, I hear the sound
effect that must be what you're referring to, a click or series of clicks.
The reason I am not usually aware of it is because when I click on a link
(not a button, of course) to go to a new Web page, Jaws invariably starts
speaking the link label and then begins reading the new page, after
announcing how many frames and links it has and whether or not it's got RSS
feeds. That's a lot of chatter beneath which I had to pay closer attention
and realize I was hearing that clicking. I can't remember many instances
where I was going for a new Web page and everything was silent except for
that clicking. Maybe it's just the types of Web pages I tend to go to? I
don't know.
Even a link on a page that offers more information about something usually
involves Jaws telling me that I've launched a new Web page when I click on
that kind of control, and then I have to exit the page or click on a close
button when I want to get back to where I started.
But this button quandary of yours just doesn't resemble many experiences I
can remember having. I'd say you're right to at least poke around a little
to figure out what's actually going on there, and otherwise just accept Dave
D.'s very reasonable explanation with a resigned shrug. Page designs may
differ, and so may the way their buttons work. Hope you can figure out what
happened and enhance your Web surfing orientation just the bit that this
would allow. I'm curious to see what you discover about what that button
actually, did, as it doesn't sounds as if it was opening another Web page
for you, and maybe your missing the clicking sound is nothing more than
confirmation of that?
Good luck.
From: "bjones" <shawnee@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Yardbird-Clicking on buttons
There is a definite sound when one hits the enter key and goes to a new web
page, at least on my computer this happens. I think Dave explained the
reasons why all the confusion about buttons very well as I'm sure you have
seen his message by now. As I said, in my reply, I just hit the enter key
on a button that took me to a new web page which was a confirmation page so
these buttons do in fact work differently depending on which web site you
are on.
I will try your suggestions next time I run into this to satisfy my own
curiosity because it stumps me as to how the info requested just turns up on
the page so I will look at the URL next time.
Thanks
Barbara
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:22 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons
Barbara,
I'm sorry but I don't know the best logical thing to say. I think I
mentioned that I don't recall a control labeled as a button ever being a
link that was supposed to take me to a different Web page or, I don't think,
even open one in a new window. When you have that text you were trying to
get, you might tab around looking for a button that says Close, and then see
if clicking on that returns you to the original page.
. Also, if you know the URL in the address bar where you start, then
checking it again after you press this control to see if it's changed would
be one way to know if you've been taken to a different web page.
Of course, the regular way wouldn't be just to listen for some sound effect,
or at least I don't get it when you say you've lost some sound effect that
used to tell you a new Web page was loading. What I *do* hear is Internet
Explorer announcing its destination and its progress somewhere on the page,
I think on the status line, which you can deliberately make speak with
insert down arrow.
I didn't mean to further confuse you, but I honestly didn't see how pressing
a button would have taken someone to a new Web page in the first place,
unless Jaws also said "link" as it identified the button. As I said before,
the first thing I would do is activate that button to get the text (the
"information's you're talking about) appear, and then explore all over that
page to see if in fact you're still on the very same web page, but some
extra material has appeared in that location on it because of your having
pressed the button.
Now don't let this discourage you from being curious to find out what's
actually happening, so you're not permanently mystified, but I'm partially
sighted in such a way that, although I can't read what a Web page says or
locate its links and controls without Jaws to guide me, I can see when a web
page changes to a new one. Even though all I can make out is light and dark
on the screen, this is very obvious for me visually. But I rely primarily on
jaws, after all, and honestly, it always speaks what I described about the
new URL it's going to and the progress of the new page's opening. So I'm
mystified in my own way about why you're mystified.
Sorry if none of this is much help. Hope I've explained what I am able to
clearly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bjones" <shawnee@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: Clicking on buttons
Hmmm Interesting point but how does one know when one time I enter on a
button and it takes me to another web page and another, as in this case the
text appears below? I did not explore further as I was so surprised to see
this happen. It was the info I needed so I looked at it, found what I
wanted and was done. Never thought to explore the page further. If things
don't act the same across the board with a button working one way one time
and another the next it would be hard for me to know what to expect. Barbara
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:47 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons
Just a thought in response to the overall problem. Barbara reported that she
was surprised to find that "the information" had appeared beneath the
button she'd been trying to activate.
Could it be that the button wasn't the equivalent of a link that was
supposed to open a new Web page, but just a control to cause a certain body
of text to be displayed? Sort of a different version of the on-mouse-over
idea? I wonder if Barbara explored beyond that new "information" she said
she'd found had appeared. Was the rest of the page the same as before,
except for the appearance of this text?
Just curious. I wouldn't ordinarily expect a button to take me to another
Web page, in the first place, although maybe I just haven't come across such
things.
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crystal French" <raincrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons
Barbara,
You might want to check your sound settings.
I'm not sure why, but once in awhile I will notice a loss of a particular
sound.
When I check on it, it will show the sound effect is gone in the settings.
Crystal
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