Re: Replacing Voices
- From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:37:25 -0000
Hi Jerry;
Thanks for the correction. As you guessed, my background is in computing
and communications technology, where I have written a software synth in the
past *smile*.
Will Pearson
Microsoft MVP (Visual Developer/VC++)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Neufeld" <jerry.neufeld@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Replacing Voices
> Good morning.
>
> With all respect, and I do admire you for having tried to explain the
> nature
> of a phoneme, your explanation, I'm afraid, is very far from what we
> linguists and psycholinguists, I one of the latter, view as what
> constitutes
> a phoneme. Your concept more closely resembles what might figure in the
> nomenclature of an electronics engineer, experienced in working with or
> actually developing hardware synthesizers. Phonemes, as we normally
> conceptualize them, are abstract, consisting of a set of basic sounds
> characteristic to a dialect and/or language. In no way, however, do
> phonemes, as we use the term in linguistics and psycholinguistics, embody
> instructions for the vocal apparatus, not at all. Nor are they fixed
> entities, heard only in one way in speech perception. Phonemes are
> abstract
> in the sense that one, e.g. /a/ as used in the word, father, may have 15
> different possible articulatory realizations, depending upon what precedes
> and follows that sound (/a/) as well as upon other factors. Something a
> bit
> closer to your concept might be what we call a phone, although, even here,
> important differences exist.
>
> Have a happy holiday. Again, I respect your interest in and attempt to
> tackle the definition of a phoneme, something I often spend more than an
> hour doing in my introductory university classes in linguistics.
>
> G. Neufeld
> Department of linguistics
> University of Ottawa
> Ottawa, Ontario
> e-mail: gerald.neufeld@xxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Replacing Voices
>
>
>> Hi;
>>
>> It's worth stressing that ECI.INI also contains the phoneme
> characteristics
>> that are used by Eloquence. Phonemes are a group of sounds at specific
>> frequencies that represent the sounds contained within a given speech
> sound,
>> mainly consisting of four formants, or four frequencies within the
> frequency
>> spectrum where the signal amplitude is the strongest. Basically, the
>> phonemes determine how speech sounds such as a, b, c,d, aa, ba, ca, da,
> etc.
>> are pronounced.
>>
>> Playing with these is like playing Russian roulette. I recently read a
>> research paper in the online journal, Nature Neuroscience. The paper was
> on
>> early language acquisition, both auditory and visual. The conclusions
> were
>> quite interesting. They concluded that our brains, as humans, are finely
>> tuned to discriminate between different phoneme blocks, and that our
>> brain
>> trains itself to become accustomed to the phonemes we encounter at an
> early
>> age. So, you are basically accustomed to the phonemes you were listening
> to
>> when you were about one or two years old. This doesn't prohibit someone
>> from listening to different phoneme blocks, just that it is going to be
> more
>> difficult for someone to determine where one phoneme block finishes, and
> the
>> other starts, in situations where the phonemes differ from what someone
>> is
>> accustomed to. Of course, as our brains have a certain plasticity, they
> can
>> become reconditioned to detect different phoneme blocks, something that
>> becomes very difficult beyond a certain age, but at least initially,
> someone
>> listening to a different set of phonemes will find it hard to actually
>> detect words, sentences, etc. correctly. One situation where I'm sure
> we've
>> all experienced this, is when listening to a speech synthesizer for the
>> first time. It takes months for our brains to become conditioned to the
>> phonemes contained within a speech synthesizer, and changing these
> phonemes
>> will mean your brain will have to become reconditioned all over again,
> same
>> goes for learning a foreign language.
>>
>> So, if you change the phonemes you will get mispronunciation by
>> Eloquence,
>> or at least it will appear as mispronunciation to you. IMO, if Freedom
>> Scientific responded to any bugs raised regarding mispronunciation by
>> Eloquence after someone had altered the phoneme characteristics, with the
>> response that it's a system, or user, specific fault, they'd be right on
> the
>> money.
>>
>> Will Pearson
>> Researcher (Accessibility and Human Computer Interaction) - Sheffield
> Hallam
>> University
>> Microsoft MVP (Visual Developer/VC++)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Horspool, Matthew F." <drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:12 AM
>> Subject: RE: Replacing Voices
>>
>>
>> > OK! This has opened up a new world!
>> >
>> > -------------------------
>> > Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
>> >
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>> >
>> > Add
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>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Ricque
>> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:21 PM
>> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: Replacing Voices
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Matthew,
>> > With respect to the Rocco voice,
>> > Yes, I have already done this with versions 3.7 thru 6.0
>> > I'm guessing that it goes for all voices, but I am waiting to hear from
>> > Jack, for clerification on that. Richard Justice
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Horspool, Matthew F." <drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 3:58 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Replacing Voices
>> >
>> >
>> > > So does this mean that you can take Eloquence from JAWS 3.2 and
>> > > import
>> >
>> > > it to JAWS 4.51? Or possibly later?
>> > >
>> > > -------------------------
>> > > Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
>> > >
>> > > Send me an Electronic Mail to
>> > > drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >
>> > > Add
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>> > > -------------------------
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > > Behalf Of Jack Lowe
>> > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:58 PM
>> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: Re: Rocco Voice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes, you can replace the new Rocco voice with the old one, and here's
>> > > how... First of all, you'll need an old version of Jaws on CD.
>> > Version
>> > > 4.02 or
>> > > older. I have the file saved if anyone would want it. I don't know
>> > if
>> > > this
>> > > group allows attachments or not.
>> > > Anyway, the name of the Rocco voice file is ECI.INI. Here's how you
>> > > replace
>> > > the new one with the old one.
>> > > I do have to say that I haven't tried this with 6.0 yet because the
>> > > files
>> > > aren't in the same place as they've been in past versions. But i'm
>> > sure
>> > >
>> > > that you can do this in 6.0 as well.
>> > > First, get a copy of the old ECI.INI file.
>> > > Then, go to drive C and look for your Jaws program. Mine says Jaws
>> > 510.
>> > > Open that folder and paste the original ECI.INI file into that
>> > > folder.
>> > > It
>> > > will ask you if you want to replace one with the other. Tell it yes.
>> > > Now you can exit out of there. Now, close Jaws with incert F4, then
>> > > restart it. The old rocco voice will
>> > > be there when the program restarts. Jack
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Chris & Mary" <cmchaffin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 5:43 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: Rocco Voice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Hi there,
>> > > > I was not aware that you could take a voice from one Jaws and
>> > replace
>> > > > it with an older version of the same voice. Could you please
>> > > > explain
>> > > > the steps in doing this? Thanks in advance,
>> > > > Chris Chaffin
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Jack Lowe" <akronjack1982@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 4:37 PM
>> > > > Subject: Rocco Voice
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hey Everyone,
>> > > >> I've mentioned this to a few other people and I was wondering...
>> > Is
>> > > >> it just me, or is the newer Rocco voice really offal! Well, I've
>> > > >> found a way around that. I went back to Jaws 4.02, before they
>> > > >> changed it, and took the original Rocco voice and incorporated it
>> > > >> into my current version of Jaws. Now, I haven't tried this with
>> > 6.0
>> > > >> yet, but it works just great with 5.10. The newer voice sounds
>> > like
>> > > >> he has a mouth full of marbles. I
>> > > >> really like the original version of Rocco much better. Jack
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