Thank goodness somebody else feels like this!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Peterson, Jody L [mailto:jody.peterson@xxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:17 AM To: 'jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: Moderator warnings Maybe you should warn individuals about their posts instead of clogging the list with your warnings. This is more annoying than the off-topic posts themselves. At least with them, we might learn something. Just my $.02. Please don't kick me off the list as I do follow the rules. Jody Peterson EDS - CRM Applications Delivery * phone: +01-248-299-9773 * cellular: +01-248-877-0539 * mailto:jody.peterson@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:36 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Yahoo and the Graphic It's the misspelling of someone who's been sick as a dog for the last four days but is still trying to do his job. I will start putting people on moderator status if they continue to choose to ignore the rule on subject lines and/or the one on off-topic posts. We already had one grammar checker on this list, we don't need a spell checker too. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-Mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere go to http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, trouble wrote: > What's puppting? not in dictionary. > > At 10:10 PM 1/28/04 -0600, you wrote: > >Look folks, I will say this one more time. > > > >First, empty subject lines are not appropriate for the list. Second, > >the discussion of the graphic is not appropriate. I will start > >puppting people of moderator status if this thread is not immediately > >stopped. > > > >Bruce > > > >-- > >Bruce Toews > >E-Mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx > >Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): > >http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere go to > >http://www.treasureislandoldies.com > > > >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Grant Hardy wrote: > > > > > I totally don't want to criticize Pickrell and others for the > > > valuable advice we get here. But Yahoo!'s objective for their word > > > in the picture is so that a machine cannot automatically register > > > for a Yahoo! account. 0spam's method, though easier for us, is not > > > secure and a machine could still register for a Yahoo! account if > > > they used this method. Here is the response I got back: > > > > > > Hello Grant, > > > > > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Account Services. > > > > > > At this time Yahoo! does not have a means of bypassing the word > > > verification image for visually impaired users, aside from > > > contacting Customer Care. We are exploring other alternatives, > > > but unfortunately, some of those alternatives recreate the very > > > problem we are trying to solve. We are aware of your concern and > > > we want you to know that we are currently working on this problem. > > > > > > During account registration, visually impaired users are directed > > > to the following "feedback" form: > > > > > > http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/edit/cgi_access > > > > > > The URL for this form is provided in hidden text on the > > > registration form that is machine-readable but not visible on the > > > page. After the user has completed the form, a Yahoo! > > > representative will call the user and complete the registration > > > process over the phone. The user will also receive a response > > > containing a toll free number specifically dedicated to > > > registration for visually impaired users. We are working on > > > streamlining this process for faster turn around time and greater > > > convenience for the user. > > > > > > When joining or creating a Yahoo! Group, below the word > > > verification image there is a link that says "If you can not see > > > this image click here." Clicking on this link will enable a popup > > > window with an explanation of the word verification image as well > > > as white-on-white text that points visually impaired users to the > > > following feedback form: > > > > > > http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/groups/cgi_vi > > > > > > After submitting the form, the user will be contacted by a Yahoo! > > > Groups Customer Care representative via email for the information > > > necessary to complete the process. > > > > > > You are free to distribute the above URLs to anyone who can > > > benefit from them, and we encourage you to do so. However, we do > > > want to mention that we hid the text on the pages because we found > > > a number of users were taking advantage of a service meant only > > > for our visually impaired users. That caused a delay in helping > > > the very users the feedback forms were intended for. > > > > > > We hope you find the above solution workable for you and other > > > visually impaired users, and we hope they do register and take > > > advantage of all the features Yahoo! has to offer. > > > > > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Yahoo! Customer Care > > > > > > For assistance with all Yahoo! services, please visit: > > > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > > Behalf Of > > > Andrew Edgcumbe > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:01 PM > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > Hi Rebecca and list members > > > > > > I did complain once about this issue. > > > > > > Yahoo said that they did have some complaints about the picture. > > > > > > > > > If anybody wants the email address to complain to yahoo please > > > email me off list. > > > > > > I feel if everybody on this list complains maybe they will listen. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx> > > > To: "Blind College Students (E-mail)" > > > <BlindVIcollegeStudents@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Blindtech (E-mail)" > > > <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Cc: "Jfwlite (E-mail)" <JFWlite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "JAWS and > > > employment (E-mail)" <jfw-employment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:14 PM > > > Subject: FW: > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks. Here is the response I got from 0 spam along with my > > > > question. > > > > > > > > These guys seem like good people. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jeff Anderson [mailto:support@xxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:12 AM > > > > To: Pickrell, Rebecca M. > > > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > > > > > > > The link is white as well as the background, so it can not be > > > > seen by regular people. I could try to contact Yahoo and > > > > Hotmail about > > > implementing > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Jeff Anderson > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx> > > > > To: <support@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I want to compliment 0 spam on its varification method. > > > > > > > > > > The link that blind people can click on which then allows the > > > varification > > > > > code to be emailed to the sender is wonderful. I wish Yahoo > > > > > and > > > Microsoft > > > > > along with a number of others would employ your method. As it > > > > > stands > > > now, > > > > > Yahoo's method is of no help since they do not respond to > > > > > phone calls > > > and > > > > > email and Microsoft's varification (an audio of the word that > > > > > needs to > > > be > > > > > entered) is so garbled as to be nearly useless. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't mind sharing with me, how do you make the link so > > > > > that > > only > > > > > screen-readers can use it? > > > > > > > > > > If this information is proprietory, would you mind sharing > > > > > your idea > > > with > > > > > engineers at Yahoo and Microsoft? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Rebecca Pickrell > > > > > phone: 703-633-8300 x4582 > > > > > email: rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To > > > > unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To > > > unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > > > line. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To > > > unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To > >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > >line. > > Tim > trouble > > > -- > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To > unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > line. > > > -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.