Hi All, The other day JAWS 5.10.383 suddenly stopped saying expanded, collapsed, and attachment in Outlook Express 6 and Win 98 se. I was having other problems with OE and uninstalled and re-installed JAWS 5.10.383 with no improvement. I found a TSN that seems to apply since I have group by conversation checked: Bulletin Type: TSN Number: 17236 Date Posted: 09/08/2003 Product Name: JAWS for Windows Version: 5.0 Category: Outlook Express Short Description: JAWS does not state the status of messages grouped by conversation in Outlook Express Problem: In Outlook Express 5 or higher, if you change your view so that messages are grouped by conversation, JAWS does not state the status "expanded" or "collapsed" to indicated opened or closed groups of messages. This affects JAWS 5.0 and 5.1; it is not a problem with JAWS 6.0. Solution: In order to make JAWS 5.x announce the expanded or collapsed state of grouped e-mail messages, perform the following: 1. Start Outlook Express. 2. From the View menu, select Group Messages by Conversation if this option is not already selected. 3. TAB to message list view. 4. Press INSERT+NUM PAD MINUS `to route the JAWS Cursor to the PC cursor. 5. Press CTRL+LEFT ARROW. 6. Press INSERT+G to open the Graphics Labeler. 7. In the Label edit box, type "Collapsed". If you use Braille, press TAB again and type "Collapsed" in Braille Label edit box. 8. Press ALT+O to activate the OK button and close the Graphics Labeler. 9. Press INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS. 10. Press the RIGHT ARROW key to expand the grouped e-mail messages. 11. Press INSERT+NUM PAD MINUS to route the JAWS Cursor to the PC cursor. 12. Press INSERT+G to open the Graphics Labeler. 13. In the Label edit box, type "Expanded". If you use Braille, press TAB again and type "Expanded" in Braille Label edit box. 14. Press ALT+O to activate the OK button and close the Graphics Labeler. 15. To verify this change, quit and then restart Outlook Express. JAWS should now say, "Expanded" when a group of messages is opened and "Collapsed" with the group is closed. I've tried the instructions at least a half dozen times and 5.10 is still not saying expanded and collapsed. I think a step might have been omitted after 11 and have tried doing a Control-left arrow after 11 and JFW still won't speak expanded and collapsed. JAWS 4.51 says all three messages and 5.0 did earlier today and just said attachment the last time I tried it. I ran a virus check and NSW 2003 said there were no viruses found. I'm running the GW Micro version of DECtalk Access 32, but Eloquence isn't saying any of the messages either. Does anyone have any suggestions to get the expanded, collapsed, and attachment announcements back? I can live without the two former ones, but JAWS not saying attachment is dangerous. Thanks, Margaret iluvtoread@xxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx