Re: Jaws help not reading/scrolling
- From: "Adam Daou" <adam.daou@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:03:34 -0500
Hi Brad,
Yes, it's not right, and I'm sorry because the procedure described in my
previous message is not really a good one. It means surviving no
matter what! It's not fair, and I can tell you that Software Designers tend
to follow the traffic, I mean standards imposed by others, which is not
always a good idea. As a programmer, I feel there's nothing wrong in having
a full and unique Manual with Table of Contents, Page Numbers, Index, as
well as a
Multiple Keyword Search Feature. I have never seen a good one, although it
can be easily implemented in the source code. Help files tend to stick to
Index, Contents, and Search and they are not often accessible even to the
sighted user. Often, there's no menu or just a poorly designed one, or even
a
hidden one, that's why the sighted user is supposed to right click. How can
he know that? What about a blind person? One will be forced to camp right
there to search and search until he or she gets tired. I just feel that
there's nothing wrong in designing a good and accessible Manual because we
all want to learn and search for helpful information. After all, we pay for
a product, and we expect a good and accessible manual in return.
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: "BD" <bram4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws help not reading/scrolling
Adam,
I'll try the right click option. I was planning on doing as you suggested
tried CTRL A to copy all but it told me no text copied so assumed it was
not able to be highlighted. Actually thinking of it, It is pityful we are
left in a lurch for help for the money we pay for this program. I know
there are many things to consider when adapting to the many programs, and
things change rapidly when dealing with apps out of your own control, but
come on, your own help files???? I will write FS. I just don't think that
is right. Thanks for the tip.
Brad
At 10:29 AM 12/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Brad,
>I know what you really mean. I went through that so many times and it's
like
>running against the clock. I know it can be very frustrating because it
>doesn't even give you the time to breath. What a mess, I'm telling you!
Here
>is what I do and what I recommend during my training sessions. What about
>creating your own help files for any program? You can then have a good cup
>of coffee or tea and explore the info without being rushed or held by the
>throat. You need to start a blank word processing session (Notepad in XP,
>WordPad elsewhere, Word or Corel WP), alt tab to the rebellious Help
>program, right click using Jaws in the info pane spot, choose Select All,
>right click again and select copy, alt tab to your word processor, press
>control v, hit Enter to create a blank line, add any comments for next help
>info if needed, alt tab back to the Help program, and continue you research
>using same copying procedure. When done, save your word processor file, and
>read it in peace with more individual control. Usually, I use control f to
>search or explore in a more friendly environment.
>Take care.
>Adam
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "BD" <bram4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:16 AM
>Subject: Jaws help not reading/scrolling
>
>
>Using JFW 5.x dongle version, pressing INS J, then going to help, and if I,
>for example, wish to look at help with popular programs, I'll arrow to it,
>right arrow to a program, then click or hit enter on it, and then F6 to
>view the next window containing the info, it will not read unless I use
>the Jaws cursor, and even then when I get to the bottom and put it back in
>PC cursor it will not scroll or move past what currently shows on the
>screen. It only will show that visible page and no more. In order to get it
>to read the entire file, I need to play with the focus to get it to read
>automatically, and then I had better listen very carefully as there is one
>shot to hear what is said. For a speech software package its own files are
>not very speech friendly and for a help file it isn't very helpful. What is
>the problem? Am I doing something wrong? I am following the directions
>given.
>
>Brad
>
>
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