Re: Eloquence pronounces things differently in different apps
- From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:20:45 -0500
I can shed light on what is happening here, but I can not explain why it
should be different from one application to the next.
The British convention for writing a date is to put the month after the
date, as in three December. For whatever reason, and I've seen this
happen, Eloquence is interpreting the d e c as being the abbreviation
for December. So it's seeing 3 space d e c, assuming you mean the third
of December, and, in accordance with your date settings, saying December
third. Again, why this should happen in one application and not another,
I do not know, but that's the basis for what is happening.
Bruce
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:12:14 -0600, "Robert Logue"
<bobcat11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> Ok Yardbird. I think I get what you are saying. Think we are splitting
> hairs. What ever. Jaws took the text as written and said something
> else.
>
> Someone else said something about a miss coded web page. Well. If I
> read the text word by word,Jaws says it right. It was only when reading
> line by line or read to end that it said something else.
>
> I sure don't know how this got off track. So, lets dropit. Wasn't
> important.
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yardbird
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Eloquence pronounces things differently in different apps
>
>
> Bob,
>
> After reading your explanation, I still don't believe I misspoke. What
> you render for us to hear as the Internet Explorer example simply does
> not strike me as what I think of as a mispronunciation at all. I have a
> feeling you're using the word "mispronounce"kind of freely, and that
> may be what I'm not getting. I think you just mean something else, not
> "mispronunciation." Maybe without my having been aware of it, other
> jaws users do this, too. maybe even FS expresses this kind of glitch
> the same way. Just, to my mind, meaning it got the string wrong and
> said something crazy through the speakers. That isn't the same as a
> literal pronunciation issue. I have a feeling that jaws may not be
> working right for you in IE, for some reason I can't fathom. But the
> words involved are perfectly ordinary and I have no idea why people
> would be mentioning how you can fiddle with the Jaws Dictionary to make
> it pronounce a word one way in this app and another way in that app.
> That sounds irrelevant to me.
>
> Again, I'm saying maybe it's not mispronouncing anything at all, in the
> usual sense, but just trying to speak some gibberish that Jaws has
> presented to it for some reason. Which means you mean something like
> "misspeak" when you use "mispronounce." That's okay if that's your
> desire.
> Sorry. I don't want to argue about this. I'm pretty sure I didn't
> misunderstand your post in any technical way, but rather didn't know
> the non-standard use made of "pronounce" here. If someone will tell me,
> in a civil way, that I'm right to suspect that "pronounce" is used more
> freely when talking about these things than I thought, and that I'm
> just not aware of that, please do so. I'd prefer if one of the several
> trusted personal list-friends I have here would do this off list,
> actually, because I know where they're coming from in terms of language
> usage and I'll have no fear that they're going to flame me. I don't
> want to get into anything like that. I'm serious about that. thanks.
>
> Joel
> freeto to standaards thatfailed you wy in fiedle punucatiation througu
> wrong because Jaws./glotch expreses
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Logue
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Eloquence pronounces things differently in different apps
>
>
> Yardbird. I'm sorry you were not able to understand my message.
>
> It is a case of Eloquence pronouncing the same fraze different ways in
> two different applications. The first example is how it was written
> and pronounced properly in other applications. The second example is
> how Eloquence pronounced it in Internet Explorer.
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yardbird
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Eloquence pronounces things differently in different
> apps
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I have no helpful advice for you, but it might be useful to
> distinguish between different "pronunciation" and simply reading
> something all wrong, which is what this sounds like. I mean, I've
> known jaws to literally pronounce one word or another differently
> depending on which app I was in, though I can't think fan example,
> which as far as I'm concerns suggests how rare this problem might be.
>
> but what you are describing sounds a heck of a lot more like nothing
> much to do with Eloquence and its pronunciation, but jaws actually
> misreading something, and then Eloquence not being able to deal with
> the crazy stuff jaws is giving it to say. This sounds not at all like
> a problem with eloquence, or something you could fix by tweaking the
> Jaws Dictionary, or anything like that. It just sounds like Jaws
> isn't seeing the material clearly, and that's of course a problem
> that has to be dealt with.
>
> Just my impression. Good luck.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Logue
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:38 PM
> Subject: Eloquence pronounces things differently in different apps
>
>
> The following line:
> For Over 3 Decades, I've Been Forced To Keep A Secret
>
> Is pronounced like this in Internet explorer:
> For Over december three erdades, I've Been Forced To Keep A Secret
>
> I think I have the same Jaws settings for IE and OE so I wonder why
> it says different things.
>
> Bob
>
> BTW: That was a quote from a product advertisement; not the
> beginning of a personal confession. LOL
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