Hi Frank, This list hasn't been active for months. MJRay has been posting to the GNUstep lists lately. I am interested in window manager programming, but I have no computer programming skills, as in I know zero languages. I've pretty much just been lurking on the list to see what was going on with the planned Objective-C port of Jewel. I know the GNUstep project is interested in an all Objective-C window manager to work with their environment, and I was curious if Jewel could become that. I am interested in window manager programming, and have a lot of time and no computer programming skills, as in I know zero languages. I've been reading up on Objective-C, but haven't been able to make heads or tails of it. It would be nice to have a project to work on, but for now I don't know what use I would be. Best Regards, thisguyisi