The version of KeyNote that's now being maintained is now known as KeyNote NF. The project page is at http://code.google.com/p/keynote-nf/. -- Christopher chaltain@xxxxxxxxx On 6/8/2010 6:57 AM, Greg wrote: > Hello, > This Keynote sounds like a nice program. Where do you get it? > Thanks, > Greg W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Chaltain"<chaltain@xxxxxxxxx> > To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:33 AM > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers > > > Hi John, are you directing this question at me? I don't see the message > you're referring to, so I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not. I'm > also not sure why you think I'd be particularly helpful in determining the > best PIM to use, assuming I am the Christopher you're talking to. I did post > a message recently saying how much I like KeyNote, so I can talk to that a > bit. > > KeyNote let's you have different Notes. I think of these as Tabs in other > applications. Visually I think of them as being displayed horizontally > across the screen. You can use control+tab to jump to the next note or F6 to > bring up a list of notes. there's also a Notes pull down in the menu bar. > I'll go ahead and refer to them as tabs from here on out, so they don't get > confused with nodes of the trees you can create, which I'll describe next. > > Within each tab, you can have a Tree. You can use control+shift+tab to get > to the tree list within a tab and then use the arrow keys to move up and > down the tree or expand and collapse each node. You can use the tab key to > jump from the tree to the contents of the particular node you're on. > > One example of how I use KeyNote at home, is that I've created a Journal.knt > database. I have a Personal tab and a Computer tab. In the Personal tab, I > have a tree with a node for each year. That node has a child node for each > month and then those nodes have child notes for each day. Note that I don't > create all of these nodes in the beginning, I just create them as I go > along. Now I can fly up and down the tree to find the day I want to read, > update or create. I just hit the tab key to start editing. > > The computer tab is similar, and I use it to keep track of the changes I've > made to my system. I also have another parent node where I keep track of the > applications I've tried and how accessible and usable they were. There's > also a parent node where I keep track of the license keys I have for the > different applications I've purchased over the years. > > As I said in my previous note, I got away from using KeyNote when it wasn't > supported, and now that I know it's supported again, I've started using it. > I'll probably be consolidating my old KeyNote databases into a single > database with tabs for things like Family, To Do's, Journal, computer, > Miscellaneous and so on. At the office, I've started using KeyNote again as > well, and I've created a new database with tabs for Employees, Teams and > Projects, references, To Do's and so on. > > What I like about KeyNote NF so much is twofold. First, I like the fact that > you can have trees with so many levels. The notes or tabs are also a nice > plus. The second is that absolutely everything is totally accessible with > JFW. It took a while figuring out the different hot keys, but I literally > never resort to the JAWS cursor now. > > The one thing I miss with KeyNote is an internal spell checker. Hopefully > the new author will get around to adding this at some point. I also haven't > figured out how to launch an application from within KeyNote. For example, > I'd like to be able to list an Excel file in KeyNote and then hit a hot key > to have KeyNote bring up Excel with that Excel file. I may be able to do > this, but I just haven't figured it out yet. > > I've tried a few other PIM applications and systems, but I never found them > as robust, simple to use and accessible as KeyNote. I'll mention a few > below. > > When KeyNote stopped being supported a few years ago, I did look at TreePad > Lite. I never got around to using it, and I'm not sure why anymore. It might > be that it didn't have some feature that I found in KeyNote, or it may have > been some areas where I couldn't figure out the appropriate hot key. > > Before I realized KeyNote support had been picked up again, I had been using > NoteTab Pro. NoteTab Pro has outlines, which you can think of as trees with > just one level. I used a combination of outlines and links in NoteTab Pro to > jump to other outlines and files to simulate the tree hierarchy I get in > KeyNote. Now that I know KeyNote support has been picked up, I'm cutting > back over to it. It's just easier and faster in KeyNote to create a new > parent node then it is to create a link and a new outline file in NoteTab > Pro. Note that I still use NoteTab Pro as my main editor, with its HTML > support and built in macro language. > > I also use Lotus Notes and Outlook, and I still use these applications for > email, contacts and calendars, but I just find them too cumbersome to keep > track of other kinds of information and notes. Again, the tree structure in > KeyNote just makes it so easy to organize this kind of data. > > I've also just tried using windows Explorer and the file system to create a > similar tree structure. Again, this just ends up being a bit too cumbersome > and inefficient when compared to KeyNote. > > Another program that has some promise is Debrief from > http://debriefnotes.com/features.htm. Unfortunately, it doesn't have as many > hot keys as KeyNote, so you have to resort to the JFW cursor too often. For > me, for a PIM to be something you're going to use all of the time then it > needs to be as unobtrusive as possible. It doesn't look like it's anything > you couldn't solve with some pretty basic scripting, but I really don't know > what I'm talking about here! The free version is also pretty limited, so to > make it an effective PIM, you're going to have to pay for one of the > upgrades. > > If anyone got this far, that's pretty much what I know. Others may obviously > not get as much mileage out of KeyNote as I do, but I'm a big fan. If anyone > has any further questions, just send them my way. It doesn't seem like this > is on topic for this list though, so you may want to drop me a note off line > or take it to another list, such as JAWSLite at > http://donaldmoore.org/mailman/listinfo/jawslite_donaldmoore.org. > > -- > Christopher > chaltain@xxxxxxxxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John O'Regan > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:47 PM > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers > > Dear Christopher, > > So which PIM do you recommend? I was thinking of using TreePad. > Does it work well with JAWS? Or how about KeyNote NF? Do all those > new features make it overcomplicated and fiddly? I guess what I'm > asking is could you give us the benefit of your wisdom and experience > and post a short comparative review? > > TIA, > John. > > __________� > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > > __________� > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > > __________� View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts