[jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC Broken in Jaws 10, 11 and 12.

  • From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:06:33 -0500

The tether function must work at either the FocusChangedEvent level or 
lower, such as internally.  I will see if I can reproduce your results.  It 
worked the way I expected a year or two ago.  This had to be at least JAWS 
9, because I jumped from 5.1 to 9.  I originally thought this was an answer 
to a problem I had writing scripts for Verizon.  I will check the dates an 
version I was using.  I think this was on Windows 7 as well, which would 
mean at least JAWS 10.

Tethering effects much more than the movements of the focus caused by the 
Tab key.  It is not desirable for this feature to be the default.  For one 
thing, when using an arrow key through a menu, it will automatically open 
and move into all submenus!

I totally agree with you about the ToolTip verbosity.

Don Marang
Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)

There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real 
substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working 
on things that matter.
Dean Kamen


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From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:25 PM
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC  Broken in Jaws 10, 
11 and 12.

> mighty scripters.
> Just letting people know of another unfortunate breakage that seems to 
> have crept in unnoticed or uncared about over the past 3 versions, and 
> that's what is, in my view,
> the rather handy newby application exploration feature, of today's subject 
> line., viz, JAWSWillFollowPC. Or, as the actual Script is named, 
> TetherJawsToPc.
>
> grumph!
>
> I have spent some time today, seeking to drill down into some of the 
> functions/scripts which might've caused this, as it would seem on the 
> surface a relatively simple one to repair maybe? but have had no luck in 
> tracking it down myself.
> The Actual TetherJawsToPc script looks identical to me between jaws 
> versions 9 and 10,
> so am presuming the problem must be somewhat deeper, i.e. buried in one of 
> the functions related to tabKey or shiftTabKey pressing itself?
> which appear to be one's maybe like, SayFocusedObject, or 
> SayObjectTypeAndText, or perhaps, GetObjectHelp?
>
> The Tether JawsToPc Script appears to me to just toggle the jcf option, 
> (opt_Tether_Jaws_To_PC, from one setting to another,
> So I presume, that something in the tab and shiftTab key pressing 
> functions, is maybe not checking for this setting in the relevant jcf 
> file?
> and subsequently executing a routeJawsToPc based on it's 1 or 0? something 
> like this perhaps?
>
> but something sure changed though between jaws 9 and 10, because tha'ts 
> where it's been broken, and remained broken ever since.
>
> For those who may not be aware of this little gem,
> (when it actually functions properly,)
> When coupled with Auto ToolTip reading option set to on, (which is set 
> individually within the prefferences section for each verbosity level, in 
> the verbosity dialog,
> - which is, not, the default setting for jaws, for reasons which have 
> always totally eluded me,)
> when tethering jawsToPc, it can give a very handy way of hearing, what 
> particular buttons or controls may do in an application, which activate 
> the normal toolTip event class when mouse hovers over a control.  it 
> basically means your mouse will follow your pc focus, and thus speak all 
> those tooltips automatically for you, if any are present.
>
> one can also of course check it's functionality simply by first activating 
> the jawsCursor, turning on the tetherJawsToPc function with 
> Jawskey+Control+NumPad minus, pressing Tab, then pressing AltDelete, to 
> check the jawsCursor Coordinates.
> When it's working properly, of course if the tab key is moving focus 
> around an application window, like, for example, the winamp or vlc 
> preferences dialog,
> pressing alt+delete after a tab press, should yield a change in the 
> coordinates output,
> along with tooltips auto spoken, if that option has been enabled.
> Also, subsequently pressing RouteJawsToPc, when the function is working 
> properly, then executing alt+delete again, should also, not, yield any 
> change in the coordinates, when jawsCursor is active.
> However as you'll notice in jaws 10, 11 or 12, carying out the above, 
> does, yield a change, meaning it's not tracking as it should.
>
> any thoughts from anyone as to how one might dig down further to find out 
> where this has come adrift?
> or if anyone would care to have a shot themselves and let us know ... even 
> better! <grin.>
> But not an urgent one, just something I'd like to fix.
>
>
> thanks muchly.
>
> geoff c.
>
>
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