hi, this is not just hi-lighting, sighted people just move the mouse down the list of songs and hit the checkbox for a song they want to add to their ipod. jaws users have to hit apps key, go down to check selection and hit enter. Bryan Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:37 AM Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > in version 8, I've never needed to do that brian. could you explain a > little > more exactly what the purposes of those checkBoxes are? different from > utilizing shift+arros to select things? are you talking for discontiguous > selections maybe? > if your using 8, I thought you could Control+Click items manually with the > JawsCursor activated? > have you tried this? > Does the checking of these boxes though, equate to the highlighting of the > items, as read by jaws as selected items? if you turn screen Echo back to > normative SayHighlited, and then makeing a custom highlight for the > particular selection color of a given item etc? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:07 AM > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > > >> hi, >> >> anybody find a work around for the invisible check boxes when selecting >> songs in the tunes program, not on the web? >> >> Bryan Schulz >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:02 AM >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! >> >> >> > Jeff, I used Itunes 8 and found the combo box to be very massive at > times >> > and too much to work with when in the store. As it works now after >> > searching >> > the store, I can just press f6 for the HTML, and if I want to buy or >> > preview, I can press the letter B for the buy, and preview buttons. The > f6 >> > to jump through the box of search result when looking on the machine at >> > local results still works as it did. >> > So, rather than it being a lack of access, we may prefer different >> > approaches to using iTunes. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman >> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 AM >> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! >> > >> > Hi matt. >> > >> > man obviously your comments and observations interest me greatly. two >> > questions for you: >> > and your tip about registering at the Itunes sight itself is a very >> > helpful >> > one! thanks for that, I wasn't aware you could do it that way. very >> > useful. >> > >> > two questions for you however: >> > >> > 1. have you ever actually sed ITunes 8 yourself prior to ITunes 9? >> > >> > or did you jump straight from 7 to 9? >> > >> > 2. in ITunes 9, after you've done, say, a search for a tune in the > ITunes >> > edit box, and yes, the ITunes store comes up in html mode with various >> > things to click on, but also, if an individual song, most likely a list >> > box >> > will also come up, to which you used to be able to hit f6 to bring >> > keyboard >> > focus, >> > and Jaws would identify it as a list view etc. >> > when in this box you could up and down arrow through often 150 entries, >> > versions of the song you asked for etc, and hit enter to preview each > one. >> > pressing applications key, to then choose "buy or get currently >> > selected >> > song or table item," to add it to shopping cart or do the oneClick buy >> > thing, if that's what your prefernece was. >> > Are you telling me your system moves focus to such a list box using > ITunes >> > 9 >> > and jaws 11? >> > and that you can do all that right now on your machine? >> > >> > Thanks. >> > Geoff c. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 AM >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! >> > >> > >> >> Jeff, not sure which version of jaws you are trying with iTunes 9 but > in >> >> jaws 11, it is by far the best access to iTunes ever. F6 works fine >> >> and >> > the >> >> ability to have the store layed out in HTML is nice. >> >> >> >> As far as registering with iTunes the simplest way is to register via > the >> >> website first and then enter the apple ID in itunes once it's >> >> established. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman >> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:27 AM >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! >> >> >> >> hi there. >> >> >> >> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony >> >> or >> >> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!> >> >> >> >> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy >> >> ones, >> > and >> >> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer, > and >> >> fervently wish for! >> >> >> >> first of all, I regret to have to tell you, >> >> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest >> > version >> >> of ITunes 9, >> >> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the >> > funkiest >> >> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not > would >> > of >> >> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can > tell >> > you >> >> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to setup/register >> >> your >> >> account with ITunes with version 9 independently, >> >> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly, >> >> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling >> > around, >> >> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and >> > simplest >> >> way in my view at this point, >> >> so far as my testings here are concerned, >> >> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken, >> >> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and >> >> purchasing, of >> >> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x, >> >> that >> > I've >> >> been able to determine! >> >> I don't know if that includes apps or not though. >> >> >> >> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard >> >> accessible >> >> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the f6 > key >> > to >> >> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list view >> > pane, >> >> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc, >> >> and >> > the >> >> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the >> >> option, >> >> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item," >> >> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc. >> >> >> >> this version can be found here: >> >> >> >> or at least it could: >> >> >> >> > >>http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f >> >> >> >> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems >> >> however, >> >> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6 even >> >> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible on >> >> the >> >> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible to >> > them >> >> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem >> >> possible >> >> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the >> >> ITunes >> >> store itself, with the jawsCursor. >> >> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor >> >> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around > and >> >> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that with >> > ITunes >> >> version 9 any more. >> >> >> >> it's not a happy story! >> >> >> >> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the >> >> above: >> >> >> >> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this. >> >> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers? >> >> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor is >> > like, >> >> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level >> >> with stumbling around on computers? >> >> <grin.> >> >> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily? >> >> >> >> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you have, > of >> >> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11. >> >> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think >> >> I've >> >> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy, >> >> is, ... ok, deep breath here. >> >> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11 >> >> behaves >> >> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on forms >> > mode, >> >> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc. >> >> >> >> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual >> >> cursor >> >> and realWorld cursor >> >> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows, and >> > what >> >> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus. >> >> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other. >> >> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type pane, > and >> >> you arrow >> >> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all the >> >> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type > your >> >> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord, > make >> > up >> >> a question to help them with IDentity, >> >> type your answer to that question, >> >> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list >> > Boxes, >> >> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via email, >> >> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox, >> >> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox, >> >> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom, >> >> >> >> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your >> >> virtual >> >> cursor arrows, >> >> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the > first >> >> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email address, >> >> and >> >> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you >> > discovered, >> >> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't > immediately >> >> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application >> >> interaction, >> >> as you'd expect it to. >> >> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box. >> >> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things > rather >> >> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land. >> >> >> >> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each edit >> >> box, >> >> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because >> > iTunes >> >> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes, >> >> without >> >> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first. >> >> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve >> >> text, >> >> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than >> >> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land. >> >> >> >> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms >> >> mode, >> > back >> >> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as > you >> >> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in >> > between >> >> each form field. >> >> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms >> >> mode. >> >> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to > arrow >> >> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced >> >> kind >> >> of >> >> forms mode, or >> >> direct interactivity with the application mode, >> >> etc. >> >> >> >> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got >> >> the >> > half >> >> of it yet! >> >> >> >> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the >> > prompts >> >> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e. >> >> 1. email address as apple ID, >> >> 2. passWord, >> >> 3. Verify password, >> >> etc. >> >> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find a >> > whole >> >> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the >> > account >> >> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with > that, >> > to >> >> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck. >> >> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that means >> >> your >> >> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual Pc >> >> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the page > if >> >> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to > read >> >> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above. > don't >> >> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each > one, >> > and >> >> hit readCurrent line to checkem. >> >> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the > point >> >> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically >> >> read >> > some >> >> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws >> >> Config >> > for >> >> ITunes eh. >> >> >> >> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help > them >> >> identify you. jaws should say Question edit. >> >> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should >> > identify >> >> as, "answer edit," and type the answer. >> >> >> >> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit. >> >> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current >> >> line, >> >> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list > box, >> > to >> >> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow > keys, >> >> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with insert+zed. >> >> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for > you, >> > to >> >> enable list box arrow navigation. >> >> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now, >> >> this, >> >> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of > course >> >> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit >> >> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to > confirm >> >> what your entering is correct. >> >> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox. >> >> >> >> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily > identified >> >> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month selected. >> > same >> >> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify. >> >> >> >> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which >> >> spaceBar >> >> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via > email. >> >> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons. >> >> >> >> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore > the >> >> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things, > but >> > you >> >> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like > your >> >> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just >> >> start >> >> typing them. ituens should except them. >> >> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes as > the >> >> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor with >> >> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows. >> >> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit boxes. > you >> >> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says, "code," > or >> >> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those > edit >> >> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab >> >> through >> >> this. >> >> >> >> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session has >> > timed >> >> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no > doubt >> >> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not! >> >> >> >> >> >> All the best with that eh. >> >> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be > able >> > to >> >> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with >> >> your >> >> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account >> >> as >> >> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9, >> >> and >> >> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile > under >> >> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy > things. >> >> >> >> >> >> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at >> >> following this rediculousness! >> >> >> >> geoff c. >> >> >> >> To: <chill-out-lounge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >> >> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hellow, >> >> > I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for the > ap >> >> store >> >> > for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes > where >> > I'm >> >> > meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select >> >> > the >> >> expiry >> >> > date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas how > to >> >> fix >> >> > this? >> >> > >> >> > I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7 >> >> > on >> >> > my >> >> > laptop. >> >> > >> >> > Thank you, >> >> > >> >> > Harmony. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > __________ >> >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository >> > http://jawsscripts.com >> >> > >> >> > View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> > >> >> >> >> __________ >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >> >> __________ >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > http://jawsscripts.com >> >> >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >> >> >> > >> > __________ >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > http://jawsscripts.com >> > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> > >> > __________ >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > http://jawsscripts.com >> > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> > >> >> __________ >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> > > __________ > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > __________ Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts