Thank you Nigel, it is not really explaining tome the relevance to the Pixile points and the Time not being shown. I have now as stated found that 3 key strokes does it. I wish I had known that weeks ago. I spent hours following complex instructions as I have told the list. Now these Messengers you mention I seem to have all 3 of them and keep one at bay with some difficulty it keeps on at me Messenger not signed in, I do not want to speak 2 way conversations if that is what they are for. I lost my line connection today Line went foggy We had rain and in these parts that is more than enough in this drought riddled County to bring out the Gremlins and underground Springs play havoc. I can almost sense when it will happen now.. If the Engineer comes I say to he im go round the corner a hundred yards down to the Junction box green and tinker with it. What a shambles this town is. I then phoned Freeserve and got the Floaty Indian call centre and said now what about all this Spam you are sending and why are you tagging friends as Spam and why are Emails notbeing delivered but comingback with untrue statements like Timed out and Firewall blocked me and she says no no Freeserve is not doing that. Them she said go to the member centre and tell them about it. So now I have to fight my way to the Members Centre. All this has been done many times but no notice is taken. Sorry for the long moan but it has been one of those days. Now someone tell me what difference do the Pixile measurements mean to Jaws and Column width and Jaws being able to read things? DorothyPs All I know about Pixile points is to do with TFT screens and sharpness of photos and from Which Magazine some cheat by taking a Pixile point measurment from the outside of it not the centre so like the head of a pin, they cheat if not taken from centre. Now I am sure this titbit is of use to some one buying a TFT Monitor but what is the relevance in my situation in O.E and Column width?? ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq