Looks like someone needs a hug... Sent via WM5-enabled PPC-phone -----Original Message----- From: "Dana Epp" <dana@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: isaserver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 7/28/06 13:45 Subject: [isapros] Re: [ISAServer] FW: Cisco Security Advisory: Windows VPN Client Local PrivilegeEscalation Vulnerability Hey Tom, Feel free to promote ISAs benefits all you want. You know I am a fan of ISA Praising ISA and talking about its powers is always welcome on the list. I just don't think we need to belittle other vendors to do it. ISA can stand on its own.... it doesn't need us to stoop to vendor bashing to prove it. --- Regards, Dana Epp [Microsoft Security MVP] Blog: http://silverstr.ufies.org/blog/ ________________________________ From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Fri 7/28/2006 10:30 AM To: isaserver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ISAServer] FW: Cisco Security Advisory: Windows VPN Client Local PrivilegeEscalation Vulnerability Given that this is allegedly an ISA firewall MVP list, I think a little "fanboy" behavior is completely appropriate. And if you had to deal with the PIX "cluckers" and their idiot echo chamber every day trying teach them that hardware didn't come down from Mt. Olympus, you'd appreciate the need for letting out a little steam. Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Epp [mailto:dana@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:37 AM > To: isaserver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: [ISAServer] FW: Cisco Security Advisory: Windows > VPN Client Local PrivilegeEscalation Vulnerability > > Oh come now. Throwing stones is pretty silly at this point. Especially > since Microsoft isn't a security company either, and seems to have its > hands in what... Firewalls, VPNs, AntiVirus, Patch Management etc etc. > > Cisco has a lot of bright minds in the security arena. They > too have an > uphill battle in educating their developers in writing secure > software. > Give 'em a break. > > Talking negative over a competitor is a waste of everyone's time. When > its not appropriate for anti-M$ sentiment here, it shouldn't be for > other All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.