I have successfully connected to Sequoia and the major problem was that Sequoia neglected to tell me the other two ports to connect to. Thank you for your help and now several of our other college programs are behind the firewall. Well we now have all of our servers behind the firewall (that was another nightmare) Lyris was a pain in the neck but our programmer figured that one out. Thanks for your help Ps. If anyone needs help with any college type programs let me know I now have the confidence to walk anyone thru it. AngelWitch