HI All I have tried the open access as per Tom's recommendations, however, that did not allow me to use both icq and morpheus on my client. I have disable the open access rules and now i have set up all rules and filters as i would normally to allow outbound traffice on certain ports for various services. My problem is now that these rules seem to haveno effect on my secure nat clients, i dont know why, maybe my secure nat is not setup properly. I have done it like it says to so im lost Greg Mulholland blah blah blah