And the point of the post is what? This is a forum to help every one. Provided free of charge. No strings attached. The providers of this list and the associated websites have to be able to pay for them somewhere. If you do not agree with the policies of the underlying entity that provides this, you have no right to come on here and speak out against them. <RANT ON> As I have stated before on the MSExchange.org list, the posts that I have seen from persons associated with your company on these list some how end up being marketing in nature. It is proven once again. First, you trumpet your own organization as being clean and proper. Then you jump on what you have stated is a competitor. I will restate what I have said on the MSExchange.org list: Your organization is loud and obnoxious, and although might have good products, do not deserve the sale do to the people behind it. Take your hype elsewhere. <RANT OFF> PS. I will now unsubscribe myself from your news lists. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You