[isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:10:46 -0800
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Freelists hates me too, Jonathon. I sent this message at 10am this
morning... :)
t
On 12/8/06 10:07 AM, "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
to all:
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> Thanks...
>
> t
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> On 12/8/06 9:44 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
> to all:
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>> Maybe this is the response to Author Anderson falling off the hook before
>> they
>> could get them in the boat? I hear that they were found innocent of the
>> charges or course it's a too little too late thing for the company.
>>
>> IF you trust Vlad's opinion on what the law is. Here's his take.
>>
>>
>> Take a look at Subdivision (f) which in street terms means "We ain't got it
>> no
>> mo... Nyah, Nyah"; I've boldfaced the relevant part... <bold doesn't come
>> over
>> to this list>
>>
>> Subdivision (f). Subdivision (f) is new. It
>> focuses on a distinctive feature of computer
>> operations, the routine alteration and deletion of
>> information that attends ordinary use. Many steps
>> essential to computer operation may alter or destroy
>> information, for reasons that have nothing to do with
>> how that information might relate to litigation. As a
>> result, the ordinary operation of computer systems
>> creates a risk that a party may lose potentially
>> discoverable information without culpable conduct on
>> its part. Under Rule 37(f), absent exceptional
>> circumstances, sanctions cannot be imposed for loss
>> of electronically stored information resulting from the
>> routine, good-faith operation of an electronic
>> information system.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rule 37(f) applies only to information lost due to
>> the "routine operation of an electronic information
>> system" -- the ways in which such systems are
>> generally designed, programmed, and implemented to
>> meet the party's technical and business needs. The
>> "routine operation" of computer systems includes the
>> alteration and overwriting of information, often without
>> the operator's specific direction or awareness, a
>> feature with no direct counterpart in hard-copy
>> documents. Such features are essential to the
>> operation of electronic information systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rule 37(f) applies to information lost due to the
>> routine operation of an information system only if the
>> operation was in good faith. Good faith in the routine
>> operation of an information system may involve a
>> party's intervention to modify or suspend certain
>> features of that routine operation to prevent the loss of
>> information, if that information is subject to a
>> preservation obligation. A preservation obligation may
>> arise from many sources, including common law,
>> statutes, regulations, or a court order in the case. The
>> good faith requirement of Rule 37(f) means that a party
>> is not permitted to exploit the routine operation of an
>> information system to thwart discovery obligations by
>> allowing that operation to continue in order to destroy
>> specific stored information that it is required to
>> preserve. When a party is under a duty to preserve
>> information because of pending or reasonably
>> anticipated litigation, intervention in the routine
>> operation of an information system is one aspect of
>> what is often called a "litigation hold." Among the
>> factors that bear on a party's good faith in the routine
>> operation of an information system are the steps the
>> party took to comply with a court order in the case or
>> party agreement requiring preservation of specific
>> electronically stored information.
>>
>>
>> Whether good faith would call for steps to
>> prevent the loss of information on sources that the
>> party believes are not reasonably accessible under
>> Rule 26(b)(2) depends on the circumstances of each
>> case. One factor is whether the party reasonably
>> believes that the information on such sources is likely
>> to be discoverable and not available from reasonably
>> accessible sources.
>>
>>
>>
>> The protection provided by Rule 37(f) applies
>> only to sanctions "under these rules." It does not
>> affect other sources of authority to impose sanctions
>> or rules of professional responsibility.
>>
>>
>> This rule restricts the imposition of "sanctions."
>> It does not prevent a court from making the kinds of
>> adjustments frequently used in managing discovery if
>> a party is unable to provide relevant responsive
>> information. For example, a court could order the
>> responding party to produce an additional witness for
>> deposition, respond to additional interrogatories, or
>> make similar attempts to provide substitutes or
>> alternatives for some or all of the lost information.
>>
>> -Vlad
>>
>> Amy Babinchak
>>
>> Harbor Computer Services
>> (248) 546-6056 office
>> (248) 890-1794 mobile
>>
>> http://isainsbs.blogspot.com
>> http://www.harborcomputerservices.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:26 PM
>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>
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>> Well, there's some light reading there... ;) Thanks for the link. I'll
>> read it this weekend...
>>
>> t
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/06 9:21 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
>> to all:
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>>> Here is the actual amendment:
>>> http://www.uscourts.gov/rules/EDiscovery_w_Notes.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> Amy Babinchak
>>>
>>> Harbor Computer Services
>>> (248) 546-6056 office
>>> (248) 890-1794 mobile
>>>
>>> http://isainsbs.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.harborcomputerservices.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:16 PM
>>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>>
>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>> Nah-- after Newt Gingrich does away with the first amendment, people will
>>> just stop sending email for fear of getting arrested. Particularly now that
>>> Habeas Corpus is dead.
>>>
>>> I'll conform to the law though... I'll store all emails and IM's I send, but
>>> I'll have to overwrite old ones when I run out of space on my 3.5 floppy ;)
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/06 9:09 AM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to
>>> all:
>>>
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>>>> Are they going to pay for the 300TB storage array?
>>>>
>>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>>> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:08 AM
>>>>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>>>> Sounds like DHS (AKA 1950's McCarthyism revisited) is on a
>>>>> roll again..?
>>>>> Since MSIT is likely to be severely impacted, I'll ask around...
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>>>> http://isatools.org
>>>>> Read the help / books / articles!
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
>>>>> (Hammer of God)
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 08:56
>>>>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [isalist] OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>>>> Greets: Hope everyone is having a good Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard on the news something about a new law (US) requiring
>>>>> companies to archive all employee email and IM. Can't find
>>>>> anything concrete. Anyone know what the skinny is?
>>>>>
>>>>> t
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