Microsoft has released new Mac OS 8/9 and Mac OS X UAM clients with NTLMv2 support. No more lowering of the security bar to support Mac clients. They are available for download at: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/win2ksfm/default.asp I haven't personally tried these (no MAC handy), but there are many who've wanted integrated auth for MACs and this just may do the trick. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, 2K), A+, Network+, PCG