I have had a look ISA 2004 It is quite quick to accomplish most tasks... The Video conferencing with MSN worked by default ...as did the NetPhone quite amazing.. Just a few problems Creating Packet filters ... seems to have lost some functionality or I could discover the "secret" (FTP filters in particular and for Antivirus ...) Issues with protocol rules I could not get RDP and CITRIX to work reliably from SNAT or Fwall client OK on ISA console ( I experienced one site that would work and another failed...in the past it was always protocol rules causing the problem ) DENIED sites did not work not was there was no "redirect URL" feature... It was Ok for denying content. Also creating a "denied Port" rule did not appear easy to accomplish Configuring the SMTP relay... I gave up and published the exchange server and it worked in a flash. Publishing the SMTP server on the ISA server did not work for me One last thing.... Why does my Citrix client keep flashing up on the screen every 30 seconds or so after failing to connect to the site.... Eventually it died ...just before I was going to imitate that "office rage video" Other than the changes in interface it was very easy to get started and explore the features. The template wizard .... That was a powerful tool.. Configuration issues with multiple LAN interfaces dispatched in a flash. Next task is securely publishing a WLAN in the third interface .... Has anyone got the good oil on that? Thanks in advance for any assistance Darryl Janetzki